Right now, I'm going to help myself. To a short nap. Really, it's best for me AND the community.

(October 11, 2016 at 1:58 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(October 11, 2016 at 1:47 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: I don't have the talents to help people in Sudan.

We all do what we can do. Not risking life and limb doesn't mean you're not making a huge difference somewhere.

Great on you if you're helping other people from afar in some other ways.

You don't have to help people from afar - especially if you're struggling yourself. You can help people in your own community.

Some of us are in a position to help many. Some of us can only help one person at a time. Like I said, we do what we can.

(October 11, 2016 at 2:00 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Some of us are in a position to help many. Some of us can only help one person at a time. Like I said, we do what we can.

But it's fair to extent gratitude to the ones that do, wouldn't you say?

Sure. It just didn't seem like you were being fair to the people who can't afford to take the time or spend the money on it.

I'm not downplaying Beccs at all.

(October 11, 2016 at 2:00 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(October 11, 2016 at 1:58 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Great on you if you're helping other people from afar in some other ways.

You don't have to help people from afar - especially if you're struggling yourself. You can help people in your own community.

Some of us are in a position to help many. Some of us can only help one person at a time. Like I said, we do what we can.

I agree. I don't even know where to start, though, but I think I'll look into it. Maybe I'll tag my brother along or something, that should make it easier.

I've heard that seeing someone else do it IRL can be the thing that gets you involved with and committed to your philanthropic bent and thoughts, if you have them. I bet that holds even when you do it with someone else from scratch - in an organized way, that is.

(October 11, 2016 at 1:06 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I don't even care about it, you're just wrong, IMO.

Yes, I know you think that. I don't care to change your mind, and don't care if you see my point or not.

(October 11, 2016 at 2:03 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Sure. It just didn't seem like you were being fair to the people who can't afford to take the time or spend the money on it.

I did include myself, didn't I? I'm struggling to survive myself, but if I wanted I could join one of these expeditions, since they wouldn't cost me anything besides my time and the risk I would be taking. I'm not willing to take that risk right now, but I admire the ones that do.

(October 11, 2016 at 2:08 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(October 11, 2016 at 1:06 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I don't even care about it, you're just wrong, IMO.

Yes, I know you think that. I don't care to change your mind, and don't care if you see my point or not.

To be fair, it really isn't my place to tell you what you should find ironic or not. So sorry about that. Old habits die hard. I was a bit more confrontational with this than necessary.

(October 11, 2016 at 2:05 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I agree. I don't even know where to start, though, but I think I'll look into it. Maybe I'll tag my brother along or something, that should make it easier.

Start with your local secular or atheist organization, if that makes you more comfortable. Ours did school cleans, street cleans, homeless drives, book drives, school drives, food bank drives, etc, donations to AIDS orgs, we volunteered at shelters and LGBT centers - all kinds of things. It'll get your feet wet and open you to more possibilities.

(October 11, 2016 at 2:14 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(October 11, 2016 at 2:05 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I agree. I don't even know where to start, though, but I think I'll look into it. Maybe I'll tag my brother along or something, that should make it easier.

Start with your local secular or atheist organization, if that makes you more comfortable. Ours did school cleans, street cleans, homeless drives, book drives, school drives, food bank drives, etc, donations to AIDS orgs, we volunteered at shelters and LGBT centers - all kinds of things. It'll get your feet wet and open you to more possibilities.

Not something my brother would likely be interested in. I might do this myself later, I'm sure there's a lot of work to do in that area especially around where I'm from, but for now, I was just planning talking to my brother about it and figuring something out that we could both enjoy and expend the resources to do - concerning helping other people.

I know it sounds like procrastination, but I'm not really the type to start doing something completely new all by myself   Plus I need to spend some more quality time with my brother, I feel like we've grown more and more apart compared to how close we used to be as kids.