Late to the party, sorry didn't read it all.

OP, due to the relative anonymity, the internet itself is the catalyst for bully behavior, not anti-SJW or SJW. Shit, just take a look at some of the behavior here. Given the right subject and people, almost anyone can become a bully, myself included. 

Now, piss off.

(October 11, 2016 at 2:22 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'd take one of those.  Minus the bows. Those are simply dreadful.

Hell, I'm straight shooting hetro male and I'll take one too. Always looking for strong men and women to help me move trees.

(October 11, 2016 at 2:42 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Late to the party, sorry didn't read it all.

OP, due to the relative anonymity, the internet itself is the catalyst for bully behavior, not anti-SJW or SJW. Shit, just take a look at some of the behavior here. Given the right subject and people, almost anyone can become a bully, myself included. 

Now, piss off.

(October 11, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote:  No one -forces- anyone to bake a gay cake.  They willingly accept to do so themselves when they set up a business as part and parcel of adhering to anti-discrimination laws that apply to the -completely- fucking voluntary marketplace.

Your idea of anti-discrimination is just a disguise for government intimidation of people with whom you disagree about sex. You are saying that it is okay to take away someone's livelihood because they don't conform to your opinions about human sexuality.

(October 11, 2016 at 3:07 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(October 11, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote:  No one -forces- anyone to bake a gay cake.  They willingly accept to do so themselves when they set up a business as part and parcel of adhering to anti-discrimination laws that apply to the -completely- fucking voluntary marketplace.

Your idea of anti-discrimination is just a disguise for government intimidation of people with whom you disagree about sex. You are saying that it is okay to take away someone's livelihood because they don't conform to your opinions about human sexuality.

Bolded mine.  When did this happen?

(October 11, 2016 at 3:07 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Your idea of anti-discrimination is just a disguise for government intimidation of people with whom you disagree about sex.

WTF are you talking about, lol? Neither I nor my opinions have anything to do with your gay cake phobia, or the ruling made in that case.

Quote:You are saying that it is okay to take away someone's livelihood because they don't conform to your opinions about human sexuality.

Who's taking anyone's livelihood away?  What are my opinions about human sexuality? I have opinions about people who voluntarily engage in business, to make profit for themselves, assuming upon themselves the laws pertinent to business..and then bitch and moan when they aren't allowed to break those laws...because they suddenly find that they have a deeply held religious belief that those laws don't apply to them.

I hope...that one day, same said cake-bakers realize that they were -used- by the very people who ostensibly advocated for them...as you're doing now..in this thread. Someone must have told them that their case was winnable, which it wasn;t...but not on the merits of the case itself...as a proxy war over some perceived slight against christianity and christians.

I won;t hold my breath though, yall aren't very good at spotting when you've been con'd.

Ok...

I look at people as individuals. I'm equal amounts humanist and misanthrope.

I don't care what your gender, race, sexuality, age and so on is. I see you as a human being. That's all I care about. Your behaviour and your intelligence. Your personality. What you are, what you do, what you choose to identify with and so on doesn't matter to me. If someone is going to be mean or aggressive towards you without reasonable justification(you being equally mean to them first) I'll most likely step in and take your side whenever I can. I won't first check what your ideology or other identifying qualities you might have, first.

But that's where my sympathy begins and ends. I think that pretty much covers everything I can and should do as a mere citizen of the world in my everyday personal interactions, whether online or IRL.

If I see you trying to silence a point of view through bullying tactics I'll treat you as a bully no matter the umbrella you hide under or the justifications you have for your actions. Free speech and a free market of ideas is crucial. I value those things more than worrying about someone getting their feelings hurt over the most ridiculous things that doesn't even affect them more than on an emotional level.

If I see you being stupid and aggressively flaunting said stupidity with an air of entitlement, again, no matter the reason behind it, I'll treat you like the cunt you are.

Be a reasonable, calm person. Try and not take everything so personally. I'll respect you as a fellow human being and I'll be more open to taking your side on a variety of things and try and better understand the issues that affect you and concern you.

That's all, really. Be a reasonable human being and I'll respond to reason with reason.

(October 11, 2016 at 2:42 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Late to the party, sorry didn't read it all.

OP, due to the relative anonymity, the internet itself is the catalyst for bully behavior, not anti-SJW or SJW. Shit, just take a look at some of the behavior here. Given the right subject and people, almost anyone can become a bully, myself included. 

Now, piss off.

But you're missing the relevance that the anti sjw phenomenon has on culture. It's not just that people use offensive words, that's actually not the issue. It's the ignorance behind these things that's exacerbated by these anti sjw movements. There's insensitivity to minority issues, like the real fact that cops get killed by police, yet people dismiss black lives matter, totally missing the point of the movement? People dismiss gender issues when transgender people are real whether you want them to be or not? Or the discrimination I've seen towards me and other people on the autism spectrum, I get mocked when I ask people not to use the word "autism" as an insult, which is used as a way to say someone is socially awkward or embarrassing. It's hurtful, and no I will not piss off of my own thread. You can't just tell someone to piss off, I could tell you to piss off but would you really piss off? No, so idk why you think I would. Double standard, friend.

I'll catch a few quips if I tell people not to use redneck as an insult too.  Yes, insensitive people exist (and always have, they aren't a product of the anti-sjw clique..or the internet).   For that reason, if no other reason, toughen up.  If we want to advocate for minority viewpoints or experiences we can't collapse like a flan in a cupboard every time someone says something insensitive. The entire point of advocacy is to confront those insensitive things, and if you can't face the opposition you're patently unequipped to deal with that, or them.

I hear things like that, in my own life. People express surprise, now that we have the internet. "Where did all these racists come from? I just can't listen to their shit". They didn't come from anywhere, they've always been here. Some of us have heard their shit our whole lives.

TBH, in normal every day interactions, my personal (and anecdotal) experience is that it isn't about being overly sensitive. It's about Person B pointing out to Person A that what they said either *is* or *could be construed as* insensitive and before they can even get out why, Person A objects to the very idea that they could EVER be insensitive and it escalates from there.

You know what I've found when managing conflict in my recent relationships or as a VP?

That taking a moment to listen when someone says something is offensive and asking why can help you sort the wheat from the chaff. People who have real reasons to be offended usually have a cogent argument and the ability to verbalize precisely what it is - and are usually willing to admit when it's an irrational feeling (which doesn't necessarily invalidate the whole thing) vs a real problem. People who are just there to be argumentative don't.

It takes a minute of your time to ask why they're offended before deciding they need to "toughen up, cupcake" - because the ones who really do need to pull the zucchini out of their ass generally hand you an x-ray of the fact that something's stuck up there...metaphorically, in their conversation, of course.