(October 12, 2016 at 3:41 pm)Kingpin Wrote: When you are in the public eye as they are (by choice), decisions need to be handled with greater care and there are more variables at play.  Do I think they spun it as to not entirely ruin their reputation?  Yes I do, but I cannot prove it.  

I don't think it had anything to do with their reputation because it happened before they were on the show, so they weren't public figures at the time. 

They didn't report it to the police until it happened the second time because they didn't want to call the cops on their own son and thought they could fix/prevent the problem on their own.

(October 12, 2016 at 4:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It was poor judgement on their part the first time it happened. While I disagree with their decision to try to fix the problem on their own, I can understand why parents wouldn't want to immediately call the cops on their 12 year old son. When it happened the second time, they called the cops. I'm sure they regret not having done it the first time around.

I still fail to see how this makes them such vile people.

I'm confused because the girls admitted that it happened in 2002... he would have been 14 at the time preying on his 10 and 11 year old sisters. When was the first time vs second?

(October 12, 2016 at 4:28 pm)mlmooney89 Wrote:

(October 12, 2016 at 4:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It was poor judgement on their part the first time it happened. While I disagree with their decision to try to fix the problem on their own, I can understand why parents wouldn't want to immediately call the cops on their 12 year old son. When it happened the second time, they called the cops. I'm sure they regret not having done it the first time around.

I still fail to see how this makes them such vile people.

I'm confused because the girls admitted that it happened in 2002... he would have been 14 at the time preying on his 10 and 11 year old sisters. When was the first time vs second?

I think he was 14 when the cops got called, the second time it happened. Before that I'm pretty sure I read that he was 12.

(October 12, 2016 at 4:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 12, 2016 at 3:41 pm)Kingpin Wrote: When you are in the public eye as they are (by choice), decisions need to be handled with greater care and there are more variables at play.  Do I think they spun it as to not entirely ruin their reputation?  Yes I do, but I cannot prove it.  

I don't think it had anything to do with their reputation because it happened before they were on the show, so they weren't public figures at the time. 

They didn't report it to the police until it happened the second time because they didn't want to call the cops on their own son and thought they could fix/prevent the problem on their own.

I admit I don't know much about this, only what I just read on a wiki page, so apologies in advance.

But it seems to me like multiple daughters being molested takes precedence over one son doing it to them. That's no excuse to not call the cops the first time around. And even as they didn't call the cops, they certainly could've been far more stringent in their efforts to correct his behaviour than they were.

Also, apologies to anyone for whom this may be a sensitive topic. I've never experienced this kind of abuse myself, so I don't know what is OK to say in these kinds of conversations and what is not.

Not that I think the cops would necessarily be the right approach in a situation where a mere child is the perpetrator of a sexual crime. Again, not very well informed, but to my mind it seems like this calls far more for a psychiatric evaluation and treatment approach than anything else. I mean, this kind of behaviour in a child is not exactly normal, right?

(October 12, 2016 at 4:29 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(October 12, 2016 at 4:28 pm)mlmooney89 Wrote: I'm confused because the girls admitted that it happened in 2002... he would have been 14 at the time preying on his 10 and 11 year old sisters. When was the first time vs second?

I think he was 14 when the cops got called, the second time it happened. Before that I'm pretty sure I read that he was 12.

This is all media pushing us so we may not know the real timeline. That being said when I was following it they said that the dad found out about it in 2002 for the first time. Now whether that was right after he did it or if it was the first or second time he did it I didn't read. But that the family found out in 2002 which makes the girls 10 and 11 and him 14. So either way ya shake it he was high school age and his sisters would have been lucky to even have gone through puberty at that time. I honestly think THAT was when they tried to stop it themselves.

Now this is just one site but it gives a pretty detailed account of a timeline.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/peopl.../28066229/

(October 12, 2016 at 4:33 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Not that I think the cops would necessarily be the right approach in a situation where a mere child is the perpetrator of a sexual crime. Again, not very well informed, but to my mind it seems like this calls far more for a psychiatric evaluation and treatment approach than anything else. I mean, this kind of behaviour in a child is not exactly normal, right?

Oh, they sent him to treatment alright.

Quote:The Duggars are actively involved with the conservative Christian homeschooling program, and People reports that ATI’s parent organization, the Institute in Basic Life Principles (IBLP), runs the facility where Jim Bob and Michelle sent their son for counseling after they learned of the abuse in 2003.

One document, “Counseling Sexual Abuse,” strongly suggests that victims are to blame for their own abuse. The guide instructs victims to ask themselves “Why did God let it happen?” and offers potential reasons like “immodest dress,” “indecent exposure” and “being with evil friends.”

Quote:Cornish added that “for the thousands of families in the ATI program, Gothard would be the first place they would turn” in a case of sexual abuse.

Gothard resigned from the institute last year in the wake of accusations from 34 women that he sexually harassed or assaulted them, though he maintains he is innocent.

Quote:Recovering Grace also posted a second document, called “Lessons From Moral Failures In A Family,” which tells the story of family dealing with the consequences of their son sexually abusing some of this younger siblings. It includes a statement from the boy in which he blames his behavior on laziness, a lack of moral purity and, most disturbingly, the “immodest” behavior of his young sisters:

My younger sisters used to wear dresses often, but as they were young and not aware of modesty, they did not behave in them as they should … Little people do not realize their nakedness right away.

The boy also cites having to change his sisters’ diapers as contributing to his actions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/26...45238.html

But I guess this is all just a mistake that any of us could make, huh?

(October 11, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The death cult that is jesusism is truly sickening.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/duggar-d...y-realize/

Quote:In the meantime, Jill and Derick Dillard are waiting for the world to end.

“I love having a front-row seat to just get a glimpse of how God is going to fulfill Revelation 7:9,” Derick Dillard posted on Instagram. “I truly believe that we are living in a generation with unique opportunities that God is using to usher in the Kingdom of Heaven quicker than any of us may realize.”

I have a nut-job like that who lives a half-block away from me; she is poor and white with her Tump/Pence bumper-sticker.  Posts on her Facebook about how we are living in the "End Times".  Problem, of course, is that, for the last 2,000 years, people have thought that they were the ones who were living in the "end times".

(October 11, 2016 at 4:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The death cult that is jesusism is truly sickening.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/duggar-d...y-realize/

Quote:In the meantime, Jill and Derick Dillard are waiting for the world to end.

“I love having a front-row seat to just get a glimpse of how God is going to fulfill Revelation 7:9,” Derick Dillard posted on Instagram. “I truly believe that we are living in a generation with unique opportunities that God is using to usher in the Kingdom of Heaven quicker than any of us may realize.”

Well I'll be darned if I give them the satisfaction of watching me gnash my teeth.