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**Neo-Scholastic** · October 13, 2016 at 3:39 pm

(October 13, 2016 at 1:38 pm)Kingpin Wrote: ....You've [Rythym] already labeled and stereotyped both the author and the content of the article without reading a single sentence. That is close-mindedness and bigotry at its finest.

Closed-minded, yes. Bigotry, no. IMO that charge should be reserved for more serious offenses.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: October 13, 2016 at 4:04 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

-except for that naggang bit about them labeling -themselves- as such, huh?

Should I open my mind to the possibility that they are something other than what they self identify as, Chad? That they have aims other than their own self described? That they can be both themselves, and not themselves, simultaneously?

**emjay** · October 13, 2016 at 4:03 pm

(October 13, 2016 at 3:39 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(October 13, 2016 at 1:38 pm)Kingpin Wrote: ....You've [Rythym] already labeled and stereotyped both the author and the content of the article without reading a single sentence. That is close-mindedness and bigotry at its finest.
Closed-minded, yes. Bigotry, no. IMO that charge should be reserved for more serious offenses.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be suspicious when a known homophobe brings something as innocuous looking as this to the table. Perfectly reasonable to be wary and expect a catch. That said, I'm reading it now and so far, where I'm up to, I'm finding it quite interesting and thought provoking... and nothing yet stands out to me as objectionable. But there's a long way to go.

**Neo-Scholastic** · October 13, 2016 at 4:06 pm

This quote doesn't seem particularly anti-transgender. It definitely challenges the notion that identifying as transgender is the same as having gender-dysphoria.

Quote:"There is no scientific evidence that all transgender people have gender dysphoria, or that they are all struggling with their gender identities. Some individuals who are not transgender — that is, who do not identify as a gender that does not correspond with their biological sex — might nonetheless struggle with their gender identity; for example, girls who behave in some male-typical ways might experience various forms of distress without ever coming to identify as boys. Conversely, individuals who do identify as a gender that does not correspond with their biological sex may not experience clinically significant distress related to their gender identity. Even if only, say, 40% of individuals who identify as a gender that does not correspond with their biological sex experience significant distress related to their gender identity, this would constitute a public health issue requiring clinicians and others to act to support those with gender dysphoria, and hopefully, to reduce the rate of gender dysphoria in the population. There is no evidence to suggest that the other 60% in this hypothetical — that is, the individuals who identify as a gender that does not correspond with their biological sex but who do not experience significant distress — would require clinical treatment."

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: October 13, 2016 at 4:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

There's no expectation of a catch, there's not even a catch. It's the organ of an advocacy group. It's not like -they- hide that fact, lol.

Chad, is the one who took it upon himself, to obscure the nature of his own link.

**emjay** · October 13, 2016 at 4:10 pm

(October 13, 2016 at 4:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote: There's no expectation of a catch, there's not even a catch. It's the organ of an advocacy group. It's not like -they- hide that fact, lol.

Chad, is the one who took it upon himself, to obscure the nature of his own link.

Advocacy group? Advocating what?

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: October 13, 2016 at 4:18 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

Just guess......lol.

Did you guess right? Meanwhile, "rhythms a close-minded bigot". Jackasses...lol. Like I said, step 3, profit.

**emjay** · October 13, 2016 at 4:19 pm

(October 13, 2016 at 4:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Just guess......lol.

Quote:The Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC) is a conservative[1][2] Washington, D.C.-based think tank and advocacy group. Founded in 1976, the group describes itself as "dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical issues of public policy."[3] The EPPC is active in a number of ways, including holding conferences,[4]publishing written work[5] from the group's scholars,[6] and running programs[7] intended to explore areas of public concern and interest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_and_Public_Policy_Center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Atlantis_(journal)

Did you guess right?

Yeah, I did. Sort of. But didn't think it would be that direct a link to Christianity. Sorry if I've been a pain.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: October 13, 2016 at 4:22 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

You haven't been, lol. Those who sling shit without doing their due fucking diligence, otoh. Rolleyes

**Neo-Scholastic** · October 13, 2016 at 4:29 pm

Part One deserves a second more throughout reading on my part. They seemed to agonize quite a bit about the difficulty of defining subtle distinctions between sexual desire, sexual orientation, and sexual identity. That parsing continued in part Three with respect to gender identity. It seems to me that trying to define these terms is highly problematic, maybe even impossible, without making reference to some kind of essentialism.

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