Well, you say it, but we all know that no really means yes.  Especially for asian girls.

Amiright or amiright. Hi five!

Let's face it, DespicableRich thrives on all the negative attention.
I have him on "ignore" (although I can see his comments when others reply with quotes) and I invite everyone else to do the same.
If a DespicableRich posts and no one reads it, does that post make any "noise"? Nope.

(October 19, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 19, 2016 at 1:52 pm)Losty Wrote: He wasn't banned
https://atheistforums.org/user-848.html

maybe they are thinking frodo

If we got to choose one I would have chosen him a hundred million times over you, but he was a rule breaker and you're not so you get to stay even though your presence makes most people want to vomit.

(October 19, 2016 at 2:29 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 19, 2016 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote: Because I am not a believer in perpetual victim hood. There is a time to mourn and a time to grieve, which again is ultimately up to the victim to set a limit on, but approaching the 5 year mark/SOL someone needs a push or kick in the pants IF they are ever to be anything more than a perpetual victim.

Which again is fine if that is what they need to do. However forever victims also need to know the rest of the world is going to move on with or without them. That is where the reality of  what I said comes in. The Law/Justice will turn a blind eye to you and the terrible thing that happened, if you do not act. What I said is a kind of focused litmus test. If what I said bring out the acid then you know something inside you does not want to be a victim forever then that means you must act/My comment becomes a call to arms. If you roll over into yourself and have to 'relive' everything again then you know you want to be a forever victim.. If that is the case then in a sick way what I said only furthers that person's end goal.

Look at the response everyone gave when I acted harshly.. A virtual pity parade was thrown, if it's been 15/20 since the act, then all the fussing and 'nurturing' that went on was well received.

Again I know the pain. I also know the sickness that one creates for themselves being or thinking of themselves as a victim, and I am well aware of what needs to happen inorder for that cycle to be broken.

I disagree that a "virtual pity party" took place.  And you brought "acid" out of a lot of people.  Regardless of whether or not they have been victims, or if they have been victimized and DID report it.  (Read: me).  

Acknowledging that someone was harmed...feeling bad that someone harmed them either because you are capable of imagining what that experience must have been like, or because you know first hand what it's like, is NOT encouraging victim hood.  It's just...being human.  

Scenario: A woman is raped in her 20's, she reports it, and the rapist is convicted.  The woman deals with the trauma in an emotionally healthy way, and gets on with her life.  10 years later she confides in her fiancé about the assault.  He feels awful; sad that she was harmed, and angry that someone harmed her.  She reassures him that she is fully recovered from the experience and the man is in jail.  The assault has no significant, lasting negative impact on her as an individual, or on their relationship.  How is his empathy altering how she perceives herself in ANY way?   His personal feelings about what happened to her are his.  I don't know why on earth you would condemn such feelings.

"Empathy perpetuates self-ascribed victim status" is a non-sequitur, Drich.

Your senario is not what happened.

In your senario the woman has indeed dealt with the issue and recovered to the point where she is consoleing her partner.

This is not what happened here.

I opened with a motivating statement.

Then i got a story of a rape that happened once 15 years ago that was not reported, but was being used to solidify a counter argument.. Maybe I'm just too sensitive or too emotional to imagine someone so shamed or scared into silence bring up such a topic just to win an argument with strangers...

This had the opposite effect on me i did not feel empathy I felt a need to vet or challenge the statement. Then we get a response of having to be made to relive all of this 'it's like being raped all over again yada yada yada...

Which again IS THE TOTAL OPPOSITE of your scenario. If she was in place of seeking recovery, then 15 years is past the point of mourning. UNLESS she is seeking to be a perminate victim. which I pointed out in my initial dialog.

Her mourning "being made to relive the rape" does not an indication of any effort of recovery 15 years down the road. However it does indeed show an effort to maintain perpetual victimhood, in which case demand pity and forces people to honor them for their misfortune.

I'm not doing that. I honestly think no one who has gone through this type of recovery will ever want to feed a perpetual victim pity, unless it is just some empty meaningless gesture to get away from them. To see a perpetual victim is a reminder of what could have been if we did not endure the suck.

That is the difference you are not taking into consideration. You want to see the best and take people at their word. I see a list of inconsistencies that need to be accounted for. I want other people to see this list as well.

(October 19, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(October 19, 2016 at 2:28 pm)Drich Wrote: So far it has been.

But that's the thing when one wanders too far left. The good of the people always supersede the good of the individual's rights.

This is no different than people who steal trump signs and rebel flags from people's homes. they feel that their wants/desires should be mandated and everyone else should be forced into their way of thinking.. because it is the 'moral' thing to do. Only they become the oppressors this country fights to free people from.

You choose the strangest examples to make your points. People stealing others' yard signs or flags are . . . stealing. That's a crime, and I haven't seen anyone here argue that it's a good or moral thing to do. Equating such actions with decisions whether to retain this or that member on a site with its own rules for inclusion is simply beside the point.

It's not what they do but why.. Let's go a little deeper than the act of stealing and look at why trump signs and rebel flags are stolen... Someone/theif believes they are in the right. Or better yet they are moral high grounders for stealing or censoring another citizen's right to endorse a canidate or show support for the confederacy... Freedom of speech is not meant to protect popular pro government speech. It is there to protect what the pop culture does not want to hear. It is to protect a citizen's right to post political sign in their own yard, it is their to protect their right to fly whatever flag they want to...

Pull up you tube and search for trump sign snatchers... listen to the propaganda/rational these F_'s have for doing what they are doing.. the same for flag snatchers in the first part of the year.. Same thing.

Self righteous people putting their 'morality' over individual rights

Quote:Most of the people here are probably socially and politically left of you, I dare say. And most people here also support your continued membership, so long as you observe the site's rules -- as you have thus far. This isn't a left/right thing, and you're not some champion of individualism fighting a mob of PC do-gooders, whatever you might imagine.

And i acknowledged that in my opening line, or did you have to erase that bit inorder to soap box?

Need I really say "most Americans" will not steal campain signs whether they agree or not???

The point is Some do. The point here is that mentality, (the need to mute something you find objectionable/free speech) is the driving force to just bann someone for not liking what they have to say.

Quote:Oh, and that bit about the supposed 'good of the people' superseding the individual's rights . . . while it's true of far left regimes, you do know that it's also a hallmark of far right regimes, right?

I agree it is not a left or right thing. it is a tyranny thing.

I am not a left or right guy. i am a balance person.

BOTH SIDES need to feel like they are heard. That was the mistake the US made just before the civil war. (northerners muted the south.) We need 4 or 8 years of obama just like we need 4 or 8 years of trump... Too far left (which is EXACTLY what the NAZI party was, fanatical left) and you breed a hitler if left unchecked. Too Far right and you crap out the darkage church. if left uncheck. Or if one side or another is muted then civil war breaks out...

This crap of only voting one way or another is just as stupid as being in the middle and swayed by a campaign that high school seniors are told they can't wage.

(October 19, 2016 at 1:57 pm)Losty Wrote:

(October 19, 2016 at 1:49 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: God'sChild was banned, but not THIS moron?!  WTF?  

To answer your question: No.  I feel Drich's presence is absolutely toxic to this forum.  I think he argues in a particular, round-about way on purpose to send threads spiraling for pages and pages.  I can NEVER discern what his sincere feelings on a subject are (which again, it seems he's vague on purpose to keep people biting at him), and he insults people in incredibly hurtful ways because he knows it will derail the thread, giving him the opportunity to send us around and around for no good reason.  He's practically admitted as much in this very thread, ffs!  If this isn't the definition of trollish behavior worthy of a permaban, then I don't know what is.

But what contribution has he made in this thread that hasn't been related to the topic at hand. There was a lot of conversation generated and it was all at least loosely related to thread topic. I don't see how he's derailing the thread. He's discussing the topic. In his typical dishonest and disgusting way but he hasn't gone off topic.

Fair points by both yourself and Rhythm.   

(October 19, 2016 at 3:04 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 19, 2016 at 2:20 pm)Drich Wrote: the kudos was for the bold bit.

It is funny how you blocked out 7/8 of the post for one sentence and made the whole post about said sentence.

In truth C/L took the time to ask fair and honest question and based on my response put together my intended position even inspite of not being able to reconcile my statements that seemed to contradict what I was saying.

This is a wise temperate person, and the statement deserved to be recognized for it's merits on whole, not just because of one sentence.

Well, I think it's funny that you gave kudos to a post that implied you are inciting drama on purpose, without specifying the specific portion of the post you actually agreed with, and denouncing the portion that implied you are a troll, lol.

I just assume the body of the post (meaning the overwhelming majority) is/was being kudoed.

That and who's to say.. maybe I did agree with all of it. maybe i like stiring the pot if their is a purpose to it

(October 19, 2016 at 3:13 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 19, 2016 at 12:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: yeah, about that...pushing things that people don't want is exactly the sort of thing that'll get you pinched for rape.   Just trying to help keep you out of shit...since you seem to be unclear on what rape is.  Wouldn't want you to accidentally get yourself into trouble.  Hey....maybe that's what a 1/2 rape is?  

I'm starting to seriously fear for his wife's safety at this point.  [emoji848]

if you knew her you'd be concerned about mine..

(October 19, 2016 at 3:36 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: Let's face it, DespicableRich thrives on all the negative attention.
I have him on "ignore" (although I can see his comments when others reply with quotes) and I invite everyone else to do the same.
If a DespicableRich posts and no one reads it, does that post make any "noise"? Nope.

Agreed. People are giving him a platform he can stand on and talk when he should instead be completely ignored.

Trying to reason with him is just giving him more power and further reinforcing his twisted mindset that he is teaching us important lessons of life.

Obama was too far left, and you reckon you're a balance kind of guy...is that the word you use for a moderate?  So, the point of moderation, in your opinion, lies somewhere to the right of a center right corporatist, lol?

Sounds about as legit as anything else you've offered up in this thread.