Yes, I'm aware that the Confederate flag thieves and political yard sign snatchers think they operate from a moral high ground. But theft of private property remains theft of private property, regardless of what the perpetrators believe about the 'rightness' of their motives. It's a statutory matter, as far as the police and courts are concerned. We can soap box all we want about the importance of the 1st Amendment, which I take very seriously, but these examples don't rise to a constitutional issue. They are just intolerant jerks who are breaking statutory law -- plain and simple -- and should be charged and sentenced (if found guilty) on that basis.

And if you really believe the Nazis were far left, then please explain why they had such hatred of the Communists. Was it an intramural spat among leftists? Lol.

And please spare me the bit that goes, "They were national socialists, dumbass! What part of socialism don't you get?" They never based their policy on class, which would have been consistent with real socialism. They based it on nationalism and race, which are red meat issues within the far right. The 'Socialism' bit was just branding for an upstart party that actually had to get elected and whose real competition came from the actual Left in Germany.

Edited to add: On second thought, don't explain your thoughts on Nazis being far left. This thread has enough problems without a Godwin derail. Carry on.

(October 19, 2016 at 4:24 pm)Drich Wrote: Too far left (which is EXACTLY what the NAZI party was, fanatical left) and you breed a hitler if left unchecked.

That's idiotic to the point of a blabbering imbecile.

The Nazis that were even remotely left were done away with in 1934. It was called the Strasser movement. But to know anything about that, you'd have to have at least a fleeting knowledge of history. Which you haven't. Outside of your religious or rightwing propaganda outlets.

If you want to know about the Nazi party, you better look at who financed them in their struggle for power. I guess even you would see that the Krupps or the Thyssens, Henri Ford even, among others wouldn't have much sympathy for lefties. Same obviously goes for Papen, who was the political arm making it possible for Hitler to come to power.

(October 19, 2016 at 3:19 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(October 19, 2016 at 3:13 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I'm starting to seriously fear for his wife's safety at this point.  [emoji848]

Given the tough guy swagger he likes to project, I'd lay odds that she can fight him at least to a standstill in real life.

When I was going through my cancer scare at the UF treatment center one of the things they'd always ask as apart of the pre doctor interview is are you being abused or has anyone abused you in anyway since your last visit. toward the end of all the tests and procedures my wife wanted to be in the room incase i got bad news.. So the first time they asked me that with her there, I totally dead pan paused and said... "I can't say" and whispered "she is in the room with us."

The nurse pauses and everyone laughs...

Well i did this every time and everytime we get a new nurse my wife freaks out because of what was comming.. anything and everything she did only made her look more guilty...

Then came the Ct scan results, i did the same thing she got mad and then the doctor came in. he looked at the folder and said i need to consult with someone.. Never good. He comes back 45 mins later. and throws up a picture of my appendix and told me it had burst by the looks of it a few years ago and the consult was to see if i needed to have it removed. (no thankfully) Then he asked did I ever feel any discomfort in that area. I started to say no then.... I remember being in the worst pain of my life, and me telling my wife I think we need to goto the hospital my appendix was about to burst. I was doubbled over and could not straighted up. she asked me to stand up straight and went to examine me (she was a house call nurse at disney, they paired her with a doctor and they took care of the VIP's who were at disney hotels rock guys movie stars etc.) So i'm thinking she can determine what's what.. I force myself up straight and boom punches me hard in my appendix and says "get up, and walk it off pussy, your not going to the hospital because you got bad gass from eating a pizza you weren't allowed to have!" (lactose intolerant) almost passed out...

I somehow craweled into bed and in a cold sweat I felt a warm oozing. thought I was bleeding or pissed myself. (it must have all been internal) Then I passed out... told the doctor all of this and he said i heard you were telling people you wife beats you and he and she laughed..

Now she says i can kill you and no one would question me because you cried wolf too many times...

(October 19, 2016 at 3:20 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 19, 2016 at 2:45 pm)Drich Wrote: context context context...

Is ISIS or the Taliban operating under US law?

Are the people or citizens of this country operating under US law?

Do you see the difference? Those under this law/citizens are afforded rights enemy combatants are not. Is it right to deem someone/citizen not convicted of a murder a murderer? no

Is it ok to deem the terrorists who flew into the twin towers and the others of have committed terrorists acts murders yes?

Why?

They forfeit their rights when they take up arms of this country, which is why we classify them as enemy combatants.

Which is why we can detain those in 'Git-mo' without any rights or due process.

Missing the point, missing the point, missing the point.  Also, you weren't being specific about WHICH terrorists, from WHICH country, and WHICH attacks you were talking about.  Or, on who's soil they took place.  We aren't talking about the same thing here.  I'm going to mash up what you said to fit it into my own narrative.

How does it feel?

Terrorist= Enemy combatant despite their country of origin.

The reality of people like Drich makes me sad. Humanity sucks.

Thankfully I'm extremely happy about other stuff right now

Including friendship of course!

(October 19, 2016 at 3:41 pm)Losty Wrote:

(October 19, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Drich Wrote: maybe they are thinking frodo

If we got to choose one I would have chosen him a hundred million times over you, but he was a rule breaker and you're not so you get to stay even though your presence makes most people want to vomit.

Yes, Yes I love all of you guys too.

(October 19, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 19, 2016 at 2:29 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I disagree that a "virtual pity party" took place.  And you brought "acid" out of a lot of people.  Regardless of whether or not they have been victims, or if they have been victimized and DID report it.  (Read: me).  

Acknowledging that someone was harmed...feeling bad that someone harmed them either because you are capable of imagining what that experience must have been like, or because you know first hand what it's like, is NOT encouraging victim hood.  It's just...being human.  

Scenario: A woman is raped in her 20's, she reports it, and the rapist is convicted.  The woman deals with the trauma in an emotionally healthy way, and gets on with her life.  10 years later she confides in her fiancé about the assault.  He feels awful; sad that she was harmed, and angry that someone harmed her.  She reassures him that she is fully recovered from the experience and the man is in jail.  The assault has no significant, lasting negative impact on her as an individual, or on their relationship.  How is his empathy altering how she perceives herself in ANY way?   His personal feelings about what happened to her are his.  I don't know why on earth you would condemn such feelings.

"Empathy perpetuates self-ascribed victim status" is a non-sequitur, Drich.

Your senario is not what happened.

In your senario the woman has indeed dealt with the issue and recovered to the point where she is consoleing her partner.

This is not what happened here.

I opened with a motivating statement.

Then i got a story of a rape that happened once 15 years ago that was not reported, but was being used to solidify a counter argument.. Maybe I'm just too sensitive or too emotional to imagine someone so shamed or scared into silence bring up such a topic just to win an argument with strangers...

This had the opposite effect on me i did not feel empathy I felt a need to vet or challenge the statement. Then we get a response of having to be made to relive all of this 'it's like being raped all over again yada yada yada...

Which again IS THE TOTAL OPPOSITE of your scenario. If she was in place of seeking recovery, then 15 years is past the point of mourning. UNLESS she is seeking to be a perminate victim. which I pointed out in my initial dialog.

Her mourning "being made to relive the rape" does not an indication of any effort of recovery 15 years down the road. However it does indeed show an effort to maintain perpetual victimhood, in which case demand pity and forces people to honor them for their misfortune.

I'm not doing that. I honestly think no one who has gone through this type of recovery will ever want to feed a perpetual victim pity, unless it is just some empty meaningless gesture to get away from them. To see a perpetual victim is a reminder of what could have been if we did not endure the suck.

That is the difference you are not taking into consideration. You want to see the best and take people at their word. I see a list of inconsistencies that need to be accounted for. I want other people to see this list as well.

I'm sorry; I wasn't comparing my scenario to the specific situation that happened in this thread with you and Nymph. I was using it as a comparison to your more generalized allegations throughout the thread that empathy and sympathy for victims perpetuate a "victim mentality."

I DO want to think the best and take people at their word, you're right. It's something that I do to a fault, in fact. But that doesn't mean as a human being I should feel I'm doing a disservice to somebody by feeling compassion for them.

(October 19, 2016 at 4:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Obama was too far left, and you reckon you're a balance kind of guy...is that the word you use for a moderate?  So, the point of moderation, in your opinion, lies somewhere to the right of a center right corporatist, lol?

Sounds about as legit as anything else you've offered up in this thread.

Nope...

Obama represents grown fanatical left sentiment. Which like it or not needs a voice in this country as that is who some of us are becoming. That group of nut jobs needs a figurehead to twist up the country to satisfy the need they all have. Then in turn the hard right or medium right needs a go.

Again, it's not about being a moderate, it about making sure the two extremes getting to be heard.

I just could not vote for romney he was too much too soon. (plus being Mormon I was sure he was the anti Christ )

Now clinton is just more obama wraped up in a corruption sam-bich. got to vote trump.

We get 8 years of clinton, if the chinese or the EU doesn't come in and take over/bailout then we will be on the brink of war with ourselves. by the 3rd election from this one. (It did not take that long for the civil war to kick off)