(October 24, 2016 at 6:42 pm)abaris Wrote:

(October 24, 2016 at 6:40 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: An example would be an meteor impact on an all water planet if resulting wave never lost energy. It would keep traveling along the surface of the water.

And your example for that happening would be .... ?

It would only happen in a closed homogeneous system. No individual situation in the universe is a closed system.

(October 24, 2016 at 6:46 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: It would only happen in a closed homogeneous system. No individual situation in the universe is a closed system.

So "would" being the operative word here.

(October 24, 2016 at 6:44 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(October 24, 2016 at 6:28 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: No, it's infinite.

How? Even a process that will never stop, say you have machine that shoots out one apple every second. You turn it on and it will never stop/never break down....you still will never have infinite apples.

If the machine breaks down, you have an infinite set of slightly less airborne apples.

(October 24, 2016 at 6:47 pm)abaris Wrote:

(October 24, 2016 at 6:46 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: It would only happen in a closed homogeneous system. No individual situation in the universe is a closed system.

So "would" being the operative word here.

A real world example on the quantum level would be gravity. It has a beginning in space and time as matter clumps together creating centers (shells) of greater and great gravitational influence....which has no boundary only ever decreasing degree of influence over distance. Gravitational centers tend towards increase rather than decrease over time. The homogeneous substance needed for wave transmition would be the fabric of space time/Higgs field.

(October 24, 2016 at 6:53 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

(October 24, 2016 at 6:44 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: How? Even a process that will never stop, say you have machine that shoots out one apple every second. You turn it on and it will never stop/never break down....you still will never have infinite apples.

If the machine breaks down, you have a slightly less airborne set of infinite apples.

It can never reach infinite by adding ones.

(October 24, 2016 at 6:57 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(October 24, 2016 at 6:53 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: If the machine breaks down, you have a slightly less airborne set of infinite apples.

It can never reach infinite by adding ones.

But you already have infinite apples, you were just firing them out of a machine. Or is this some kind of Replicator? If so, there's only potentially infinite apples.

(October 24, 2016 at 7:04 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

(October 24, 2016 at 6:57 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: It can never reach infinite by adding ones.

But you already have infinite apples, you were just firing them out of a machine.

It makes the apples out of half a negative potato which self regenerates it's missing half.

(October 24, 2016 at 7:04 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote:

(October 24, 2016 at 6:57 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: It can never reach infinite by adding ones.

But you already have infinite apples, you were just firing them out of a machine. Or is this some kind of Replicator? If so, there's only potentially infinite apples.

Yes. But it only has one potential and that is apple. And it apples over and over and over.

(October 24, 2016 at 6:11 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(October 24, 2016 at 1:10 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Given that experience is our only interface with reality, and that everything we use to describe reality consists of ideas and nothing other than ideas, you've made an assertion which I do not believe you can demonstrate to be true.

I honestly don't care for your idealist delusion.

You should care whether you can support your position.  And you can't.

(October 24, 2016 at 3:08 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: On what basis does someone know they are being wronged? Being angry or feeling aggrieved may be an evolved instinct, but that doesn't make it accurate or true.

How do we know?  Pain. Literally.  It's a clear indication that something isn't right and requires a response, be it attack or avoidance.  Our respective ancestors possessed pain-detection traits of sufficient efficacy that they survived and raised progeny that eventually led to us, here.

Somewhere along the line, probably as primate brains developed sufficiently to allow processing of abstract ideas, physical pain and emotional pain seems to have gotten muddled together in the neurological system.  We also have mirror neurons and empathy playing a role.  When someone else is suffering, this triggers an empathetic reaction in the average person.  If the situation of the suffering individual is perceived as unjust from a social POV, anger enters the picture as well. It may well be that the earliest laws were crafted at the tribal level to ease the pain and rage we feel when someone is being hurt.

Again, this is not objective morality but subjective, driven by emotion and bodily sensation.