(October 25, 2016 at 2:06 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:

(October 25, 2016 at 1:09 pm)robvalue Wrote: Another point I've raised before is how different things would be in a society where sex with children was acceptable. Are the negative psychological effects all to do with the shame of how society views them, and the constant requirement not to act on urges which have no acceptable outlet? Or does the condition itself inherently cause negative effects?

Tangentially to that issue is the treatment given to incest/abuse when Tom Green's character in Freddy Got Fingered is upset over NOT being sexually abused by dear old dad.

It didn't play well as a comedic theme (at least by Tom Green in an execrable movie) and I'm wondering about any other way of making it palatable . . .


I see an unfortunate word choice has been made, I'm disinclined to fix it at this point.

Thanks for reminding me that I still need to see that movie someday. It honestly looks hilarious from the clips I've seen of it.

Fleshing out something earlier, (the thought experiment above sent me thinking along these lines).

as a third grader, I wanted to go look in the junior high boys in the locker room after PE. What if, as a 60 year old man, I still wanted to do that ?

And then, there was actually I time I was IN the junior high boys locker room, LOL, when I was IN junior high!

Is it creepy if I recall it now and am grossed out by the hairless wonders and scrawny bods present ?

or is it creepy now if I (could) recall it fondly ?

Or is it creepier when I'm a third grader wanting to go have a look ? I vividly recall being in third grade and noting how good they smelled, I still like the funk of a man who's earned it via some hard work.

Where's the creepy line, or is it a creepy spectrum forming ?

(October 25, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Thought experiment: lets say you put a brain of a 30 year old into a 14 year old's body.

If this person with a new brain gives you consent, is it okay to fuck them?

These weird scenarios are so hard to answer. I would argue that a 14 year old couldn't consent to donating their body to the 30 year old in the first place but without considering any outside factors I don't see why a 30 year old in the body of a 14 year old couldn't consent.

(October 25, 2016 at 2:20 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:

(October 25, 2016 at 2:06 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Tangentially to that issue is the treatment given to incest/abuse when Tom Green's character in Freddy Got Fingered is upset over NOT being sexually abused by dear old dad.

It didn't play well as a comedic theme (at least by Tom Green in an execrable movie) and I'm wondering about any other way of making it palatable . . .


I see an unfortunate word choice has been made, I'm disinclined to fix it at this point.

Thanks for reminding me that I still need to see that movie someday. It honestly looks hilarious from the clips I've seen of it.

I'm into some rough stuff, no doubt about it, and I like to think I have a very broad spectrum of humor.

Freddy Got Fingered is neither funny nor sexy to me at all.  And I even find Tom Green kinda handsome.  His character in FGF negates all of that.

Also...@Vorlie so rood. Freddy Got Fingered was a comedic masterpiece. "Daddy would you like some sausage, daddy would you like some sausages"

(October 25, 2016 at 2:22 pm)Losty Wrote: These weird scenarios are so hard to answer. I would argue that a 14 year old couldn't consent to donating their body to the 30 year old in the first place but without considering any outside factors I don't see why a 30 year old in the body of a 14 year old couldn't consent.

For arguments sake ignore the actual logistic and medical issues with putting a 30 year old brain into a 14 year olds body, that's not really the point. My point is, if we had a 14 year old, or 12 year old, or hey, fuck it, a 7 year old, with the intellectual capacity and ability to give consent of a 30 year old, would we still look upon having sex with said person as morally wrong?

Well, if yes, why? That would indicate to me there's more to this whole issue than just ability to give consent, which I find curious. I'd like someone to elaborate on that if they think it's the case.

Alternatively, if no, then it indicates the only factor in this is the ability to give consent.

I guess what I'm getting at by asking the question, is are there more factors than just consent? Are there strictly biological ones, are there some other ambiguous moral factors?

I find this thread topic quite interesting, I think the reason is because it's an incredibly grey area and it's difficult to draw lines that aren't arbitrary.

Oh gosh what would my life be without humor.

ETA:

@ Napo. More than just consent. There's being psychologically mature enough to deal with the subsequent feelings.

(October 25, 2016 at 2:32 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: @ Napo. More than just consent. There's being psychologically mature enough to deal with the subsequent feelings.

Let's say you are psychologically mature at the age of 10, does that change things?

(October 25, 2016 at 2:29 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(October 25, 2016 at 2:22 pm)Losty Wrote: These weird scenarios are so hard to answer. I would argue that a 14 year old couldn't consent to donating their body to the 30 year old in the first place but without considering any outside factors I don't see why a 30 year old in the body of a 14 year old couldn't consent.

For arguments sake ignore the actual logistic and medical issues with putting a 30 year old brain into a 14 year olds body, that's not really the point. My point is, if we had a 14 year old, or 12 year old, or hey, fuck it, a 7 year old, with the intellectual capacity and ability to give consent of a 30 year old, would we still look upon having sex with said person as morally wrong?

Well, if yes, why? That would indicate to me there's more to this whole issue than just ability to give consent, which I find curious. I'd like someone to elaborate on that if they think it's the case.

Alternatively, if no, then it indicates the only factor in this is the ability to give consent.

I guess what I'm getting at by asking the question, is are there more factors than just consent? Are there strictly biological ones, are there some other ambiguous moral factors?

I find this thread topic quite interesting, I think the reason is because it's an incredibly grey area and it's difficult to draw lines that aren't arbitrary.

I literally did that in the post you quoted. I think for the most part a 30 year old mind in a 14 year old body would be ok.

I might change my mind of you go much younger than that as far as body age because even with a 30 year old mind and a mental capability to consent there wouldn't be anything resembling a physical development capable of safely having sex with an adult. It's only a grey area when you start adding in fake scenarios. Makes me feel like a creeper just considering it tbh.

While it was legal for me to get my cherry popped at age 18, I note how immature I still was just a few years later when I encountered Dewey. Hell I was attracted to him BECAUSE he was more mature than I was. And years later, after he's long gone, I finally get up to his level, THEN I really took a hit.

Yeah, I can see a mature 16 year old consenting to some things with less potential self-psychological harm than some things I was consenting to well into my 20s. But that's not how the country is set up.