Another point I've raised before is how different things would be in a society where sex with children was acceptable. Are the negative psychological effects all to do with the shame of how society views them, and the constant requirement not to act on urges which have no acceptable outlet? Or does the condition itself inherently cause negative effects?

(October 25, 2016 at 12:58 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 25, 2016 at 12:48 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: *Walks in*

*Another thread about sexual issues, consent, and Drich*


*Walks out*

LOL, I wish I could triple-kudos this.  Mods, can we add a multiple kudos function?  [emoji39]

YES. Oh god please yes yes!

YES!

(October 25, 2016 at 1:09 pm)robvalue Wrote: Another point I've raised before is how different things would be in a society where sex with children was acceptable. Are the negative psychological effects all to do with the shame of how society views them, and the constant requirement not to act on urges which have no acceptable outlet? Or does the condition itself inherently cause negative effects?

(My bold)

A bonobo civilization.

Thought experiment: lets say you put a brain of a 30 year old into a 14 year old's body.

If this person with a new brain gives you consent, is it okay to fuck them?

(October 25, 2016 at 12:47 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 25, 2016 at 12:38 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: lol, shit-and-git, eh?

You are the reason I even said anything.. (you talking about your friend who showed no signs of this and you were blindsided to find out he was a pedo)

You being blindsided reminded me of my own experience in dealing with pedos and understand the contrast. Which is why i likened it to being 'demon possessed.' Because it's like the person you know is an individual who can have a completely opposite life, then when the demon is awakened he looses control and becomes a completely different person. One that falls in a completely predictable pattern of behavior. This change from an individual to a singular uniform profile is why i likened it to possession. Because it is like one being who's behaivor is manifested through out the pedo community changes individuals into mirror images of itself. The only difference between one pedo and another is what stage of possession/development they are in.

I'll have to take your word on it, I guess.

(October 25, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Thought experiment: lets say you put a brain of a 30 year old into a 14 year old's body.

If this person with a new brain gives you consent, is it okay to fuck them?

I do not think this even pertains to the matter Napo. The issue here is kids as in persons that haven't fully grasped stuff in the hands of those taking advantage of this situation. Adults may not grasp everything but they can sway a child.

There was a conviction of a man that sexually used her 24 y old daughter with severe mental disability sexually. It was not pedophilia, but "abuse of a non consenting adult".

This is the crux of the discussion.

Most pedophiles work within family or close friends. They build up this and manipulate someone that gives trust to them. It is not uncommon to them to listen when parents dont ( teenagers ) only to use that trust for their desires or whatever they do.

I know kids are smart these days, but they lack the experience to deal with an adult advance.

(October 25, 2016 at 1:09 pm)robvalue Wrote: Another point I've raised before is how different things would be in a society where sex with children was acceptable. Are the negative psychological effects all to do with the shame of how society views them, and the constant requirement not to act on urges which have no acceptable outlet? Or does the condition itself inherently cause negative effects?

Tangentially to that issue is the treatment given to incest/abuse when Tom Green's character in Freddy Got Fingered is upset over NOT being sexually abused by dear old dad.

It didn't play well as a comedic theme (at least by Tom Green in an execrable movie) and I'm wondering about any other way of making it palatable . . .


I see an unfortunate word choice has been made, I'm disinclined to fix it at this point.

(October 25, 2016 at 1:57 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I do not think this even pertains to the matter Napo. The issue here is kids as in persons that haven't fully grasped stuff in the hands of those taking advantage of this situation. Adults may not grasp everything but they can sway a child.

Uh, that's exactly the point of me asking the question.

Quote:There was a conviction of a man that sexually used her 24 y old daughter with severe mental disability sexually. It was not pedophilia, but "abuse of a non consenting adult".

This is the crux of the discussion.

Exactly the point.

Quote:Most pedophiles work within family or close friends. They build up this and manipulate someone that gives trust to them. It is not uncommon to them to listen when parents dont ( teenagers ) only to use that trust for their desires or whatever they do.

I know kids are smart these days, but they lack the experience to deal with an adult advance.

Again, exactly the point.

It's illegal because of ability to give consent. Hence me asking the question, if you had someone who was 14 who could give consent (due to a hypothetical brain transplant), then does it make a difference?

The answer pertains precisely to the matter surely.

(October 25, 2016 at 2:09 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(October 25, 2016 at 1:57 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I do not think this even pertains to the matter Napo. The issue here is kids as in persons that haven't fully grasped stuff in the hands of those taking advantage of this situation. Adults may not grasp everything but they can sway a child.

Uh, that's exactly the point of me asking the question.

Quote:There was a conviction of a man that sexually used her 24 y old daughter with severe mental disability sexually. It was not pedophilia, but "abuse of a non consenting adult".

This is the crux of the discussion.

Exactly the point.

Quote:Most pedophiles work within family or close friends. They build up this and manipulate someone that gives trust to them. It is not uncommon to them to listen when parents dont ( teenagers ) only to use that trust for their desires or whatever they do.

I know kids are smart these days, but they lack the experience to deal with an adult advance.

Again, exactly the point.

It's illegal because of ability to give consent. Hence me asking the question, if you had someone who was 14 who could give consent (due to a hypothetical brain transplant), then does it make a difference?

The answer pertains precisely to the matter surely.

When we get to the point of putting a 30 year old mind into a 14 year old body we will have to consider whaterver the fuck you are. Infact, I'd love the ideas. My bones aren't as sturdy as they were back then.

(October 25, 2016 at 1:09 pm)robvalue Wrote: Another point I've raised before is how different things would be in a society where sex with children was acceptable. Are the negative psychological effects all to do with the shame of how society views them, and the constant requirement not to act on urges which have no acceptable outlet? Or does the condition itself inherently cause negative effects?

Not sure I understand what you're saying here. I'm pretty sure sex with children still causes a negative affect on the children even in societies where it's considered acceptable and legal. Even if you've always been raised to know that it's ok and not wrong there's got to be some negative effect from having something you don't understand done to you by someone who overrides your inability to consent. So I guess you must be wondering if the desire would still have a negative effect on the pedophile? Hmm...