(October 26, 2016 at 8:16 am)Little Rik Wrote: If we born from poor parents is because we fit in that particular jigsaw puzzle.

I unequivocally disagree.  We are born from poor parents only because we were conceived by people who happened to be poor.  I do not believe that we existed as individuals prior to conception.  I do not believe in souls or past lives or life after death.

(October 26, 2016 at 8:25 am)Little Rik Wrote: Logic is all about what make sense.

Incorrect. I'll help you out with some definitions:

Logic - reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

Logical argument - A deductive argument is one that, if valid, has a conclusion that is entailed by its premises. In other words, the truth of the conclusion is a logical consequence of the premises—if the premises are true, then the conclusion must be true.

Now that we've updated your knowledge, you may put forth your logical argumentation for the existence of god. Whenever you are ready.

Quote:The chances that the universe exist after billions of years due to luck are next to zero therefore it is obvious that a mind run it.

Assertion without evidence. Also, a strawman. No one is claiming that. Try again.

Quote:Atheism is all based on guessing and nothing else.

Hey! Wrong. Atheism is the lack of belief in God or gods. You're not even trying anymore.

Quote:also rely most of the time on physical science and it is this science that contradict atheism.

No it doesn't.

Quote:Nothing is dead in this universe.

Utterly meaningless statement. You must be using your own invented definition of the word "dead."

Quote:a stone vibrate.

Lol, what? WTF are you even talking about?

Quote:There is energy and a dormant consciousness even in what seems dead.

Assertion without evidence.

Still waiting on your logical argument for the existence of God backed up with supporting evidence. [emoji41] ya know...whenever you get around to it. [emoji6]

(October 26, 2016 at 9:57 am)Atheist_BG Wrote: Karma is a religious invention to make sure the slaves remain obedient out of fear of what's gonna happen to them in the next life.

Something is badly missing in your post.  

It is true that an handful of people interpret the karma in the wrong way but the advantage of interpreting karma in the correct way outweigh the incorrect one by miles.
And considering that most people who believe in karma do interpret it in the correct way then your idea
is badly failing.
I don't really think you ever talk to poor people in India and ask them what the karma means to them.
If they remain obedient is because they understand that that is the best way to get rid of their bad past karma but that is not even the most important reason.
In India you don't have any choice.
If you don't listen to your boss you are out of work and starving and you will have to drag your family with you in the sewer of starvation so there are no options but treat the boss as a God and that seem
obedience out of fear related to karma when in reality is obedience related to fear to end up in the physical sewer.
Nothing therefore to do with what you say.  

(October 26, 2016 at 11:10 am)Astreja Wrote:

(October 26, 2016 at 8:16 am)Little Rik Wrote: If we born from poor parents is because we fit in that particular jigsaw puzzle.

I unequivocally disagree.  We are born from poor parents only because we were conceived by people who happened to be poor.  I do not believe that we existed as individuals prior to conception.  I do not believe in souls or past lives or life after death.

It doesn't make any sense to think that everything is related to good or bad luck.
Get real Astreja and see how many people that play lotto win and how many lose.
You just fool yourself.
For every winner there are millions that lose.
The reality tell us the opposite of what you think.  

(October 26, 2016 at 5:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(October 26, 2016 at 8:25 am)Little Rik Wrote: Logic is all about what make sense.

Incorrect.  I'll help you out with some definitions:
Logic - reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.

Logical argument - A deductive argument is one that, if valid, has a conclusion that is entailed by its premises. In other words, the truth of the conclusion is a logical consequence of the premises—if the premises are true, then the conclusion must be true.
Now that we've updated your knowledge, you may put forth your logical argumentation for the existence of god.  Whenever you are ready.

It is logic that a body need a head-mind.
We already established that the universe has got the same features-characteristics of our body therefore
it has to have a mind as well.
This is logic Lady.  

Quote:The chances that the universe exist after billions of years due to luck are next to zero therefore it is obvious that a mind run it.

Quote:Assertion without evidence.  Also, a strawman.  No one is claiming that.  Try again.  

By saying that there is no God you automatically claim that the universe exist without a mind who control it.
From here you claim that the universe exist thanks to good luck.
A body without a mind can not exist so what other reason make the universe exist other than good luck?

Quote:Atheism is all based on guessing and nothing else.

Quote:Hey!  Wrong.  Atheism is the lack of belief in God or gods.  You're not even trying anymore.

Lack of belief in God born out of guessing only not on evidence.
Sorry Lady you are wrong once again.  

Quote:also rely most of the time on physical science and it is this science that contradict atheism.

Quote:No it doesn't.

Yes it does.
A body without a mind can not exist.
This is what science tell us.  

Quote:Nothing is dead in this universe.

Quote:Utterly meaningless statement.  You must be using your own invented definition of the word "dead."

Wrong again Lady.  
There is enough evidence to suggest this.
The universe exist for billions of years.
Energy never die.
If energy would die we would see a slow reduction in the size of the universe but that never happen.
In reality we see the opposite.
The universe is expanding and that means that more energy get in all the time.
There is no such a thing as death and that is proven by science as well.

Quote:a stone vibrate.

Quote:Lol, what?  WTF are you even talking about?

Quote:There is energy and a dormant consciousness even in what seems dead.

Quote:Assertion without evidence.

You need to get some knowledge Lady.  

http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter463/

Quote:Still waiting on your logical argument for the existence of God backed up with supporting evidence. [emoji41]  ya know...whenever you get around to it.  [emoji6]

A body need a mind that is why our universe is run by a super mind.
Is that Father Christmas or Giacomino the elf?
I don't think so Lady.
I rather believe that this super mind is God.  

Karma is bullshit.

"Karma" used as a sort of causality thing is meaningless, we already have Cause and Effect for that.

"Karma" used as sort of "energy" or whatever you want to call it, where negative/positive social actions having corresponding effects on yourself, is bullshit as well IMO. It's oversimplification of a much larger issue & content; social status and interaction.

I don't ever use Karma as a concept, that can't be covered better by more valid and/or precise concepts.

(October 27, 2016 at 8:50 am)Sal Wrote: Karma is bullshit.

"Karma" used as a sort of causality thing is meaningless, we already have Cause and Effect for that.

"Karma" used as sort of "energy" or whatever you want to call it, where negative/positive social actions having corresponding effects on yourself, is bullshit as well IMO. It's oversimplification of a much larger issue & content; social status and interaction.

I don't ever use Karma as a concept, that can't be covered better by more valid and/or precise concepts

A world without justice?

It hardly happen in the physical-material world.
Why should happen in the real world?

You guys live in a fairy land where good and bad luck rule.
Doesn't life teach you that that is just bullshit?  

(October 27, 2016 at 8:37 am)Little Rik Wrote: It is logic that a body need a head-mind.

Lol, what's a "head-mind"? Are you inventing your own anatomy now?

Quote:We already established that the universe has got the same features-characteristics of our body therefore it has to have a mind as well. This is logic Lady.  

We did? I don't recall anyone conceding to that. Also, that statement is a non-sequitur, so it's fallacious logic. You're welcome to try again.

Quote:The chances that the universe exist after billions oBy saying that there is no God you automatically claim that the universe exist without a mind who control it.

Correct, but ONLY if I am asserting there is no God. Which I'm not.

Quote:From here you claim that the universe exist thanks to good luck.

Incorrect. False dichotomy. Natural selection is not dependent on luck OR God. Go do some reading and come back better prepared.

Quote:A body without a mind can not exist so what other reason make the universe exist other than good luck?

LOL, what? Bodies can't exist with out minds now? That's brand new information to me. You might want to call your local forensic pathologist and let her in on this breaking news, lol.

You're not even coherent at this point Ricky.

Quote:Lack of belief in God born out of guessing only not on evidence

Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. [emoji57]

Quote:A body without a mind can not exist. This is what science tell us

What science?

Quote:Wrong again Lady.  
There is enough evidence to suggest this. The universe exist for billions of years. Energy never die. If energy would die we would see a slow reduction in the size of the universe but that never happen.
In reality we see the opposite. The universe is expanding and that means that more energy get in all the time. There is no such a thing as death and that is proven by science as well.

Holy non-sequiturs! Also, "Alive" and "dead" are being misapplied here. Stop doing that. Even IF any of the above made the slightest bit of sense (which it doesn't), what does it have to do with demonstrating your God?

So...two strikes so far. Anytime you'd like to stop yammering on with your meaningless garble and put forth some sound logic and evidence for the existence of God, I'm here. [emoji8]

(October 13, 2016 at 8:43 am)F atAndFaithless Wrote: There can easily be karma without a god, if it's just part of the natural laws of the universe.  Plenty of buddhists are atheists and also believe in karma.

Karma =/= god.

It's still a preposterously ridiculous idea supported by exactly nothing.