(October 28, 2016 at 8:09 pm)goombah111 Wrote: or both?

i see people say "religion ruins everything" so that would point to the organizations and scriptures

i also see people say "youre dumb if you believe in god"

so, what do people hate? or at least, what do people have the most issue with?

I was ok with people believing whatever stupid thing they wanted. Then 9/11 showed me what a suitably motivated theist could do.

(October 28, 2016 at 8:09 pm)goombah111 Wrote: or both?

i see people say "religion ruins everything" so that would point to the organizations and scriptures

i also see people say "youre dumb if you believe in god"

so, what do people hate? or at least, what do people have the most issue with?

Take your beliefs, and take away the idea that the figure you believe in is a god. Do your beliefs still make sense?

(October 28, 2016 at 8:09 pm)goombah111 Wrote: or both?

i see people say "religion ruins everything" so that would point to the organizations and scriptures

i also see people say "youre dumb if you believe in god"

so, what do people hate? or at least, what do people have the most issue with?

Willful ignorance. That's what I hate.

I neither hate religious organizations nor denominations thereoff. It's what you make of it that brings on my opposition or tolerance. If religious groups do their worst to spew hatred against others for whatever reasons, they can be assured of my contempt. If they are just church goers, not bothering anyone else by shoving what they believe to be true everyone's throat, they can be sure of my support.

Same is true for any other religion of course. There is no monopoly on christianity for me.

"Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat." - Unattributed.

(October 30, 2016 at 4:27 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: What do you mean you don't care , anyway ? That you wouldn't try to outlaw religion or that you are actually nonplussed by the fact that so many people believe false things about the world and get their moralities from ancient death cults ?

Strictly speaking, both are immoral positions to hold, IMO, but one more defensible than the other.

I disagree. Imposing your own conception of conscience upon others by banning their own expression of it is hardly a moral act, especially once you consider the bloodshed that would necessarily accompany such a measure.

Would you imprison believers? Explain that in terms of morality: not only stripping them of the freedom of conscience, but stripping them of physical freedom, when they've done nothing else criminal.

(October 30, 2016 at 6:14 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I was ok with people believing whatever stupid thing they wanted. Then 9/11 showed me what a suitably motivated theist could do.

9/11....? lmao

(October 30, 2016 at 3:32 pm)goombah111 Wrote:

(October 30, 2016 at 6:14 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I was ok with people believing whatever stupid thing they wanted. Then 9/11 showed me what a suitably motivated theist could do.

9/11....? lmao

Man, I thought I was a bad ass for enjoying my hatin' but you just raised the bar.

(October 30, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Man, I thought I was a bad ass for enjoying my hatin' but you just raised the bar.

9/11 wasnt muslims

(October 30, 2016 at 3:42 pm)goombah111 Wrote: 9/11 wasnt muslims

OK, a nutjob obviously. Good to know.

Uh-oh, the tin-foil alert warning light just lit up on the control panel.