We have that with or without God though. Empathy. compassion, love and all emotions are evolutionary. With evolution you don't need God.

Some things are objectively bad in the sense of being objectively harmful. That's the case with or without a God.

Nice one Iro [emoji106]

(November 3, 2016 at 10:27 am)Iroscato Wrote:

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I would remind people that this is the Introductions forum. As it states at the top of the forum page "Whilst we are generally lenient with insulting language / rudeness in other forums, this kind of behaviour is explicitly disallowed in the Introductions forum. Please welcome new members to the community in a nice manner, or refrain from welcoming them at all."

Let us keep cool heads and civil tongues.

HUH?!!!
Why is the "Ask a..." subforum inside the introductions one?

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(November 3, 2016 at 10:13 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Personally I would not kill anyone if God told me to. Here's why. The God that I believe exists is the God of love and goodness. Like, he literally IS love. It would be against his very nature to want me to kill my child because killing children is just about the most evil thing you can do. If God wanted me to do that, my whole reality would be turned upside down completely.

You know, of course, that you follow one of the religions that sprouted from the so-called "Abrahamic" cult, right?
What was Abraham most remembered for? Here, check the first painting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

That is the reason for such questions. According to the tale, god is very well capable of asking someone to kill their own child... and seemingly incapable of taking it back... needing to send an angel to prevent that blunder.

Or are you wanting to say that the god of Abraham was poorly portrayed in that particular tale, for he, as you point out, "literally IS love" and it "would be against his very nature to want me to kill my child"?


Personally, I think it's just a tale. A tale custom made to have a particular people stake a claim to some land.
The ages-old tale of fighting over resources.
The Middle-East has seen that aplenty... since "Abraham", through classical Greece, Romans, and now the Muslims.
The Fertile Crescent is the gift that keeps on giving.

(November 3, 2016 at 11:21 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(November 3, 2016 at 10:27 am)Iroscato Wrote:

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I would remind people that this is the Introductions forum. As it states at the top of the forum page "Whilst we are generally lenient with insulting language / rudeness in other forums, this kind of behaviour is explicitly disallowed in the Introductions forum. Please welcome new members to the community in a nice manner, or refrain from welcoming them at all."

Let us keep cool heads and civil tongues.

HUH?!!!
Why is the "Ask a..." subforum inside the introductions one?  

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(November 3, 2016 at 10:13 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Personally I would not kill anyone if God told me to. Here's why. The God that I believe exists is the God of love and goodness. Like, he literally IS love. It would be against his very nature to want me to kill my child because killing children is just about the most evil thing you can do. If God wanted me to do that, my whole reality would be turned upside down completely.

You know, of course, that you follow one of the religions that sprouted from the so-called "Abrahamic" cult, right?
What was Abraham most remembered for? Here, check the first painting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

That is the reason for such questions. According to the tale, god is very well capable of asking someone to kill their own child... and seemingly incapable of taking it back... needing to send an angel to prevent that blunder.

Or are you wanting to say that the god of Abraham was poorly portrayed in that particular tale, for he, as you point out, "literally IS love" and it "would be against his very nature to want me to kill my child"?


Personally, I think it's just a tale. A tale custom made to have a particular people stake a claim to some land.
The ages-old tale of fighting over resources.
The Middle-East has seen that aplenty... since "Abraham", through classical Greece, Romans, and now the Muslims.
The Fertile Crescent is the gift that keeps on giving.

Don't forget Jephthah as well.

That said, even if such stories are to be taken metaphorically, looking at reality itself suggests a God that is not love, if a God exists.

(November 3, 2016 at 11:21 am)pocaracas Wrote: Why is the "Ask a..." subforum inside the introductions one?  

I don't know why that it is in there but I do know that that it is in there.

Lets all sing!

Oh God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God say, "No." Abe say, "What ?"
God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"
Well Abe says, "Where do you want this killin' done ?"
God says. "Out on Highway 61".

(November 3, 2016 at 11:24 am)Irrational Wrote: Don't forget Jephthah as well.

Who?!
Why should I care about a person with such an obscure name?

Yes, I'm one of those atheists who doesn't care about bible stories. I just know the few big ones and that's enough. Walking on water, multiplying fish, war, war, war, some bald guy that sicks a bear on some kids, some guy that hands out his daughter to be raped by a mob, as compensation for not giving up his two unknown guests.... Noah... Tower of Babel.... and the Adam&Eve thing... That's it, the bible in a nutshell.
I also don't know the Qur'an stories, nor the Vedas stories... Couldn't be bothered.

I know the Harry Potter story... the Song of Ice and Fire story.... I'm reading up on the Foundation stories... yeah.. these are fun and relatable.

Welcome to the lion's den, Emzap! I hope you find our forum interesting.

(November 3, 2016 at 11:34 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(November 3, 2016 at 11:24 am)Irrational Wrote: Don't forget Jephthah as well.

Who?!
Why should I care about a person with such an obscure name?

Yes, I'm one of those atheists who doesn't care about bible stories. I just know the few big ones and that's enough. Walking on water, multiplying fish, war, war, war, some bald guy that sicks a bear on some kids, some guy that hands out his daughter to be raped by a mob, as compensation for not giving up his two unknown guests.... Noah... Tower of Babel.... and the Adam&Eve thing... That's it, the bible in a nutshell.
I also don't know the Qur'an stories, nor the Vedas stories... Couldn't be bothered.

I know the Harry Potter story... the Song of Ice and Fire story.... I'm reading up on the Foundation stories... yeah.. these are fun and relatable.

I only mentioned him because, in his story, the child actually does get sacrificed to God.