(November 9, 2016 at 12:44 pm)Lek Wrote: Although the Democratic party had a good message in supporting the rights and privileges of minorities and immigrants, they made one huge mistake.  In the process, they villainized white working men and the institutions they hold to be important.  As much as they chastised the Republicans for not being a party of inclusion, they never spoke to white middle class men, who already feel that they are carrying the burden of he costs to administer the government programs which the Democrats tout, but they don't benefit from.  That's why states like Pennsylvania and Michigan came through for Trump.   

I personally, as a white man, never felt that the Democratic candidates were speaking to me.  I feel totally alienated from the Democratic party.  The fact that Trump overwhelmingly won the white male vote is evidence that white American men had grown tired of being reviled and blamed for everything bad in this country.  Neither party has come up with a message that supports the rights and privileges of ALL Americans and so we continue to be divided.

Actually according to ABC news it was not white males that Trump appealed to but White Uneducated males.

(November 9, 2016 at 4:08 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: It is pretty lol-worthy, but that's what they think.  I'm in total agreement that that's why the Democrats lost.  Of course it's not easy to come up with a "when will the government listen to white males?" campaign message and try to sound serious.

Basically I think the election of Donald Trump is a huge middle finger to Washington and politics in general by the white middle class male voters.

Oh, I'm not saying that isn't what they think. I'm just saying it's retarded that the demographic that has overwhelmingly held the majority of power suddenly feels marginalized and outraged now that a tiny bit of that power is slipping away thanks to a slow drip of diversification.

And if anyone thinks it's a coincidence that the white male suddenly felt disenfranchised after we elected the first black president, you're fooling yourself.

(November 9, 2016 at 4:31 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(November 9, 2016 at 4:21 pm)Aroura Wrote: This is completely why they lost.  White males are losing majority power, and they are angry and scared as hell.  What do you think they mean when they say make america great again?  They mean make it a white Christian Patriarchy.

According to CNN exit polls, 53% of white women also voted for Trump.

Yes, white people being the majority.  I'm in that majority, so I know.
Women are used to being part of a patriarchy.  Check out all the women defending their way of life in the middle east.  The white women were voting to keep what they know, because all this change was scary.

(November 9, 2016 at 12:51 pm)Divinity Wrote: So... basically because conservatives have a ME mentality.  They don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.  Of course they're going to fuck themselves in the ass with this one, because Donald Trump is going to destroy the middle class.  And when all those social programs that you don't like go out the window... you'll find out just how you really benefited from it.

What/which 'middle class' social programs out there are you referring to?

The Starbucks EBT card? must of missed mine in the mail..

Or maybe your talking about social security which will be bankrupt by the time I get old enough to collect.

Yeah, I think I'll pass on that one too.. Pay into a retirement plan all my life then when I am old enough to use it.. It shuts down..

(November 9, 2016 at 4:46 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 9, 2016 at 12:44 pm)Lek Wrote: Although the Democratic party had a good message in supporting the rights and privileges of minorities and immigrants, they made one huge mistake.  In the process, they villainized white working men and the institutions they hold to be important.  As much as they chastised the Republicans for not being a party of inclusion, they never spoke to white middle class men, who already feel that they are carrying the burden of he costs to administer the government programs which the Democrats tout, but they don't benefit from.  That's why states like Pennsylvania and Michigan came through for Trump.   

I personally, as a white man, never felt that the Democratic candidates were speaking to me.  I feel totally alienated from the Democratic party.  The fact that Trump overwhelmingly won the white male vote is evidence that white American men had grown tired of being reviled and blamed for everything bad in this country.  Neither party has come up with a message that supports the rights and privileges of ALL Americans and so we continue to be divided.

Actually according to ABC news it was not white males that Trump appealed to but White Uneducated males.

Which makes them neither white nor male! Drich you brilliant idea you, you've cracked the case!

(November 9, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Faith No More Wrote: And how exactly did you think Trump was speaking to you?  Was it the kicking out the Mexicans part, or the banning Muslims part?

We are not banning muslims. We are banning all people from countries from which they can not be properly vetted. This means countries where ISIS took the capitol city and captured all the government printers and blank documents (like passports and birth certificates) and have the offical equipment to forge their own docs.

We are not kicking all the mexicans out either. We are going to deport all Mexican criminals back to their country.

(November 9, 2016 at 4:46 pm)Drich Wrote: Actually according to ABC news it was not white males that Trump appealed to but White Uneducated males.

An exit poll breakdown on Fox's site shows that even among white college graduates he had a lead (49/45).

I think the age and race breakdowns might be more telling; he loses every age demographic up to 30-39, then wins every age demographic after. Hillary has big leads in every race demographic except white, which Trump wins by a considerable margin. I think that when it all shakes out we'll see that Clinton got far fewer young and non-white voters excited enough to go to the polls. People are saying that the nation is "more divided than we thought" but I think it's just as divided as it ever was, but some key constituencies had no stomach to vote for Clinton and stayed home.

(November 9, 2016 at 12:56 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Speaking as a white man who's sitting right at the average national income, I didn't feel 'villainized' at all.  I didn't vote for Hillary, but how were the democrats villainizing me?

are you above the national median income for 1999? If you are at the middle of the nation average then you have lost about 25K from 1999 according to ABC news last night.

(November 9, 2016 at 4:55 pm)Drich Wrote: We are not kicking all the mexicans out either.

That's a relief. If we did, every half-decent Asian restaurant in Baton Rouge would shut down.

God, I hate this town.

(November 9, 2016 at 4:55 pm)Drich Wrote: We are not kicking all the mexicans out either.

Of course not. Who else is going to work for cheap labor? Certainly not the white man.