So, are you equating Christ with Trump, or vice versa ?

Be careful with your answer, the Trump crew might crucify you . . . .

Yes.  Two bullshit artists.

Debating whether the Protestant or Catholic version of reality is correct is rather like debating whether unicorns or griffons make better house pets.

Boru

I don't think unicorns poop at all.

And I'm sure griffons cannot be litter trained . . .

(November 12, 2016 at 11:47 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I don't think unicorns poop at all.

Filthy heathen.



Boru

oh . . . .

I'm not a Christian any more but to whatever extent I can still have doubts about it from time to time, that doesn't extend to Catholicism. In other words since I was indoctrinated a Protestant I'd never give Catholicism the time of day even if I did return to Christianity... much less as an atheist. Too much idolatry... turning every man and his dog into tantamount to a god to be worshipped (saints and the virgin mary), not to mention the reliance on graven images. Sorry about that... just letting out a bit of my inbuilt (read indoctrinated) Protestant anti-Catholicism even though I'm not a Christian any more

(November 13, 2016 at 12:43 am)Emjay Wrote: I'm not a Christian any more but to whatever extent I can still have doubts about it from time to time, that doesn't extend to Catholicism. In other words since I was indoctrinated a Protestant I'd never give Catholicism the time of day even if I did return to Christianity...  much less as an atheist. Too much idolatry... turning every man and his dog into tantamount to a god to be worshipped (saints and the virgin mary), not to mention the reliance on graven images. Sorry about that... just letting out a bit of my inbuilt (read indoctrinated) Protestant anti-Catholicism even though I'm not a Christian any more

Catholics don't worship statues or worship saints, that's a common myth among protestants.
First, where are you getting worship? The definition of pray is "1) to utter petition to God, 2) to make a fervent request, 3) to beseech, implore, 4) to make a devout or earnest request for." Where in the definition do you see the word worship or anything like worship? To pray is to make a request or petition to God. When we pray to God, we are uttering a petition to Him, and when we pray to Mary and the saints we are making an earnest or devout request for prayers from Mary and the saints. In the medieval times, when people would say "I pray you would do this," were they worshipping whoever they were talking to?
        
The Seventh General Council shows the difference between venerating Mary and worshipping God. It showed that Latria - is adoration that is given to the trinity alone, and always refers to God (John 16:2, Romans 9:4, Heb 9:1-6), and hyper-dulia - which is veneration to Mary. There is a difference. The bible also shows this difference. Take a look at Exodus 18:7, saying, "then Moses went out to meet his father in law, and bowed down and kissed him." This is veneration.
      By praying through Mary, we are not taking away focus from Jesus. In Luke 1:46-49 Mary says, "My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the lowly state of his maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed." Praying through Mary magnifies the focus on Jesus and magnifies Him. It's like asking someone for prayers. When you ask someone to pray for you, are you worshipping them? It's no different with Mary. When we pray to Mary, we ask her to pray for us to God, and her soul magnifies Him. Then, we add some respect, or veneration, not worship. If you knew someone was praying for you would you not thank them?
         Thus, we do not worship Mary or take our focus off God to put on Mary, but we pray through Mary, and venerate her, not worship her.
God Bless!

(November 12, 2016 at 11:47 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I don't think unicorns poop at all.

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What? Did you forget this horrifying thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q
?

Catholicism: the one where you can bribe an imaginary being
Protestantism: the one where no-one agrees on what the imaginary being said.

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