(November 15, 2016 at 1:41 pm)Edward John Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 1:35 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Since you are too intellectually lazy and incurious to read a Wikipedia article on the topic: The Big Bang or Initial Expansion describes what happened when the previous state of affairs, a hot, dense, energetic, compressed universe; suddenly started expanding and eventually formed the universe we find ourselves in. The theory doesn't describe why the universe expanded, how long it was in its previous state; whether a moment or an eternity or in-between; but what it does describe is based on astronomical observations and it has been confirmed by finding additional phenomena that the theory predicted we would find if it's true. It's not a theory of ultimate origin. We do not have the physics to describe with certainty what preceded the 'Big Bang'. We have plausible hypotheses, almost too many of them, and as yet no way to confirm which, if any of them, are true. The BBT doesn't try explain what you seem to think it does.

Exactly, my point is the big bang theory fails to give us where all this matter came from? How it exploded and created all this order and laws in the universe? Why it exploded? If the Big Bang is true, then how did it happen?  Would you say that out of nothing came something; that when nothing existed, somehow something came into existence?  Or would you say that the Big Bang has no explanation "yet;" but that, by faith, some scientist in the future will prove how it happened, even though it violates the laws of known physics?

What an impressive feat of mental gymnastics.

"The big bang theory says everything poofed into existence from nothing."

"No, it really doesn't say that."

"Exactly!"

I think I've had my fill of this gruel for the day.

(November 15, 2016 at 1:44 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 1:40 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: You seem to lack both humility and charity. Are there any Christian virtues you DO possess?

Credulity.

I am also commanded to rebuke on the right situation. 

Watch yourselves. If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. Luke 17:3

(November 15, 2016 at 1:48 pm)Edward John Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 1:44 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Credulity.

I am also commanded to rebuke on the right situation. 

Watch yourselves. If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. Luke 17:3

You are so full of wisdom.

(November 15, 2016 at 1:46 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 1:41 pm)Edward John Wrote: Exactly, my point is the big bang theory fails to give us where all this matter came from? How it exploded and created all this order and laws in the universe? Why it exploded? If the Big Bang is true, then how did it happen?  Would you say that out of nothing came something; that when nothing existed, somehow something came into existence?  Or would you say that the Big Bang has no explanation "yet;" but that, by faith, some scientist in the future will prove how it happened, even though it violates the laws of known physics?

What an impressive feat of mental gymnastics.

"The big bang theory says everything poofed into existence from nothing."

"No, it really doesn't say that."

"Exactly!"

I think I've had my fill of this gruel for the day

The big bang still needs a cause, case unresolved.

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(November 15, 2016 at 1:52 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 1:48 pm)Edward John Wrote: I am also commanded to rebuke on the right situation. 

Watch yourselves. If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. Luke 17:3

You are so full of wisdom.

I am not full of wisdom only God is. But Thanks.

(November 15, 2016 at 12:46 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Edward John Wrote: Why should any of us in here adopt your position, your opinion, as the best representation of reality? 

Yeah, why would any of us adopt YOUR position, YOUR opinion, as the best representation of reality?

Wow. We need something to break this stalemate.

If only some kind of scientific method existed to determine the answers by formulating falsifiable hypotheses, creating reproducible experiments and collecting peer reviewed  evidence.

(November 15, 2016 at 12:46 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Edward John Wrote: Does any scientist know the physical properties of existence before the universe began?

Where is the proof?

Are you seriously wanting proof for something that is admittedly unknown and unexplained by science?

And you think I'm arrogant?!

How about YOUR position, YOUR opinion, huh? Where's the proof?

Theists ask for proof while ignoring evidence because they know a proof can never be obtained. Yet they expect us to accept their pseudo logic as proof and would jump at the chance of showing off any evidence.

(November 15, 2016 at 12:53 pm)Edward John Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 12:16 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Your ability to understand Hey other people's posts is appallingly deficient. Just because God isn't a very good as an explanation (doesn't really help us understand what actually happened) doesn't mean it's not the case. Your desperate need to have atheists deny God so they can watch pornography seems to be biasing your understanding of what we actually say.

Btw, there's no statistical evidence that everybody belief in God in general or Christianity in particular prevents people from viewing pornography, so how could not being able to view pornography be a disincentive for atheists to believe? If you imagine that we have too much integrity to cherry pick Christianity for the parts we agree with and ignore or reject the parts that we don't let's start like or find inconvenient, you may be on to something.

 
False, I understand clearly all your moves. God is the only mixing and the best explanation of why we are here and we can't go beyond what we don't know God is only option we have of what actually happend(There isn't any other way) Only multicoloured God has the power to create the universe and wisdom to create sentences it nobody else can.

Catholic Christians which don't watch porn because it is a sin. CCC(Catechism of the Catholic Church)2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display cannot them deliberately to third be parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure quoted! and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.

(November 15, 2016 at 1:44 pm)Edward John Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 1:41 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: Seriously? That's the best you can do?

Ok troll. Thank you for cementing, in writing, for everyone here to see, what a cowardly, POS, you are for failing miserably to address a simple question put to you.

Jeebus must be so proud.

Quote:Wikipedia Wrote:

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement.

I am not a troll but here to give a logical and reasonable arguments. You are raising false accusations against me, just as Jesus was falsely accused. Therefore you are lying even further.

Lmao. How am I lying even further when you still can't produce the evidence asked for? Still waiting for your "logical and reasonable arguments" for the existence of your bullshit god.

Let me dumb this down for you. Just because a bunch of sheep fucking goat herders possibly wrote a book about a magical sky daddy doesn't make it true. JK Rowling wrote a series of books based on a boy who survived one of the three unforgivable curses. Said boy had a prophecy written about him that he had to save the world by destroying Lord Voldemort. He succeeded. Despite all that...IT DOESN'T MAKE THE BOOK OR THE CHARACTERS IN IT REAL OR TRUE.

Or does it?

Harry Potter could be god, for all we know.

If you think that sounds ridiculous, then you've taken the first step in understanding the ridiculousness of the bible and the abrahamic god you seem to think exists for "reasons" you refuse to provide proof of.

Fucking hell it's like christmas lights in word form.

(November 15, 2016 at 1:41 pm)Edward John Wrote: Exactly, my point is the big bang theory fails to give us where all this matter came from?

No, it fails to tell us where all the energy came from. Matter formed after the Big Bang..

(November 15, 2016 at 1:41 pm)Edward John Wrote: Or would you say that the Big Bang has no explanation "yet;" but that, by faith, some scientist in the future will prove how it happened, even though it violates the laws of known physics?

Not by faith, but by observational evidence. This means that other people can read the papers, repeat the experiments and see for themselves that this is reality. And if they can find a flaw in the paper or they cannot repeat the experiment, then they can write a paper themselves refuting the original findings.

No faith required at all.

(November 15, 2016 at 2:01 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Fucking hell it's like christmas lights in word form.

Yeah, but the yellow words, when read in order are just fanfuckingtastic!