Edward John Wrote:I am not full of wisdom only God is. But Thanks.

You mouth humble words without displaying any actual humility. Like the realization that you might not know us better than we know ourselves, or that it's possible that your 'proof' contains flaws...it's almost like you think you're perfect and incapable of error...but you SAY only God is full of wisdom, and it's mouthing the right words that's important, right?

(November 15, 2016 at 2:12 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 1:52 pm)Edward John Wrote: The big bang still needs a cause, case unresolved.

All causes are merely a re-arrangement of matter and energy. The Big Bang is all space-time and energy in one particular condensed state.

Sure, feel free to say that your god put it in that state if it makes you happy, but it makes your god utterly irrelevant if that's all he did. Because we can explain most of what happened after the Big Bang. And your explanation of goddidit has no explanatory power and is not useful in the slightest. How did he do it? How did your god come about?

Saying goddidit is just a way of avoiding asking questions.

I certainly hope you're not expecting me to take your answer seriously.

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(November 15, 2016 at 3:06 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 1:08 pm)Edward John Wrote: Well, You tell us that there is "absolutely no evidence of any supernatural intervention" in the universe. Really? How do you know that? Have you examined all evidence in all places?

I have.

Really, have you looked at all the alleged proofs that exist in order to then state that there is no proof for God's existence?

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(November 15, 2016 at 3:17 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

Edward John Wrote:I am not full of wisdom only God is. But Thanks.

You mouth humble words without displaying any actual humility. Like the realization that you might not know us better than we know ourselves, or that it's possible that your 'proof' contains flaws...it's almost like you think you're perfect and incapable of error...but you SAY only God is full of wisdom, and it's mouthing the right words that's important, right?

Quit with the humility problem talk, I am trying to save your soul remember?

Fuck off. Our souls don't need saving. If your puny god was so interested in our souls, he'd come down here and save them his own damn self. Omni-everything wouldn't need to send some witless oaf to do his work for him.

(November 15, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: Fuck off. Our souls don't need saving. If your puny god was so interested in our souls, he'd come down here and save them his own damn self. Omni-everything wouldn't need to send some witless oaf to do his work for him.

Step 1, Quit listening to Satan.

Welp, this thread is asymptotically approaching zero intellectual worth.

(November 15, 2016 at 3:39 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Welp, this thread is asymptotically approaching zero intellectual worth.

That is because you're not being logical.  Step one. Demonstrate that your atheistic opinion is a proper representation of reality.

(November 15, 2016 at 3:38 pm)Edward John Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: Fuck off. Our souls don't need saving. If your puny god was so interested in our souls, he'd come down here and save them his own damn self. Omni-everything wouldn't need to send some witless oaf to do his work for him.

Step 1, Quit listening to Satan.

Step one: Understand that just like your god isn't real, neither is Satan.

Step two: go play in traffic. Your weak attempts at conversion won't work here.

Edward John Wrote:

Stimbo Wrote:I have.

Really, have you looked at all the alleged proofs that exist in order to then state that there is no proof for God's existence?

Can you recognize sarcasm if it bites you on the nose?

Edward John Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:You mouth humble words without displaying any actual humility. Like the realization that you might not know us better than we know ourselves, or that it's possible that your 'proof' contains flaws...it's almost like you think you're perfect and incapable of error...but you SAY only God is full of wisdom, and it's mouthing the right words that's important, right?

Quit with the humility problem talk, I am trying to save your soul remember?

Can you walk me through how being arrogant and condescending will help you accomplish that?

Now I feel free to be a little harsh with you. If I had my way and was the king of atheism, you wouldn't be allowed to become an atheist until I was satisfied you would do a better job of representing us than you do of representing Christians. Starting with the bizarre font use. So I've no particular reason to consider what effect my approach could have on your attitude or chances of giving up Christianity. To the slight degree that I think Christianity is something people should avoid believing, you're doing a better job of showing people the flaws of that belief system than you likely could as an atheist, so I'm kind of hoping you won't deconvert from theism.

However, if I really wanted to persuade you, I would listen to you, consider what you have to say, try to understand what your position really is and how you came to hold it; and use your feedback to improve my approach, grateful for any flaws you've pointed out in my reasoning, because knowing them can only make my arguments stronger if I'm in the right. And without even caring a whit about persuading you personally, I've still managed to do a better job of all that with you than you have with any of us.

(November 15, 2016 at 3:43 pm)Nymphadora Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 3:38 pm)Edward John Wrote:
Step 1, Quit listening to Satan.

Step one: Understand that just like your god isn't real, neither is Satan.

Step two: go play in traffic. Your weak attempts at conversion won't work here.

Just because It won't work here does not mean, God does not exist.

Edward John Wrote:

FatAndFaithless Wrote:Welp, this thread is asymptotically approaching zero intellectual worth.

That is because you're not being logical.  Step one. Demonstrate that your atheistic opinion is a proper representation of reality.

You seem to have skipped the step where you show that your theistic opinion is a proper representation of reality. And the step where you understand that atheism is a description of a person's state of unbelief, not reality. And skipped the part where you research 'Argument from Ignorance'.