(November 15, 2016 at 9:53 am)TaraJo Wrote: Since about 2012 or so, the SJW's have been on the rise; the jerks who use progressive sounding, virtuous buzzwords to justify being jerks. 

So you mean regressive leftists because  that's what they literally are.

The "regressive left" aren't left... it's a form of authoritarianism that enjoy a liberal image without actually being liberal. Far from being about liberty they censor people under the guise of "THAT HURTS MY FEEWINGZ!"

The other thing is SJW's aren't bad per say but with feminists too they could be attacking real stuff like the middle east and how woman are treated in that culture.

(November 15, 2016 at 8:25 pm)alpha male Wrote: If he's a bigoted moron, he's a bigoted moron WINNER...and will be again in 4 years the way you guys are going.

I hate to agree with shitheads but you are right.  I never underestimate the intelligence of the 'murrican voter.

(November 15, 2016 at 1:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: If they did they fucked themselves but good.

They? I hate to tell you this but you are part of them.

(November 15, 2016 at 8:58 pm)dyresand Wrote: The other thing is SJW's aren't  bad per say but with feminists too they could be attacking real stuff like the middle east and how woman are treated in that culture.

I always find this complaint ridiculous. "Women in the middle east are treated worse!  So you should stop trying to do anything about the issues that you personally face, and instead focus on something you probably can't do anything about!"

Y'know, the most frustrating thing about the SJW's or the regressive left or whatever you want to call those complete assholes.... I agree with so many of their causes. But, at the same time, I can completely understand why people loath them.

For example, I support gender equality and I think there are some serious issues with a huge gender imbalance in positions of political or financial power. But when I hear feminists taking pride in being a misandrist or bragging about causing male tears, even I want to tell them to shut up, get in the kitchen and make me a goddamn sandwich. I support black people and I think there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with so many of them being killed, needlessly, by police. But when I hear that my opinions don't matter because I'm white, I want to go put a confederate flag on the back of a pick up truck. Nobody is going to consider transgender issues as personal an issue as me, but when some 15 year old bitches me out because he made up a new gender identity last week and everybody doesn't automatically pick it up, well, then even I want to call them a degenerate faggot. They generally have good issues, but they're such jerks when they talk about them. That's what's killing them.

And I can't help but wonder, how many people were sitting on the fence about those issues and the assholes pushed them solidly into Trump territory? I mean, you can't shame people into agreeing with you. Seriously, has anyone here decided to stop being an atheist because the world told us not to? And how well does it work out when someone decides not to be gay because it's shameful? Trying to shame them will just turn them against you.

But being able to have conversations is the important thing and a lot of lefties don't seem to be able to do it. I mean, the right are jerks about their conversations, but at least they're willing to talk. The left just gives condescending lectures.

A lot of people here seem to think that SJW's are the only people that can't be talked to.
I'd argue that there are veins of conservatism that are similarly difficult to talk to. The moment you mention that you might want to see taxes increased, or suggest that Obama was even a halfway decent president, you become a "libtard" and the discussion ends.

I'm generalizing my own experiences here(so take this with a grain of salt), but it seems like the "alt-right"(maybe not the best term) and I guess I will call it the "regressive left" are just those that yell the loudest. It seems to me that this kind of stuff creates a positive feedback loop. It's similar to how it can be hard on some forums to maintain a neutral stance in a polarized discussion. Eventually one side bothers you enough, and another side is at least marginally similar enough to your stance that there is a temptation to distance yourself from one position and step closer to another. Especially if the side that you don't fully agree with is gas lighting you at every turn.

I think like anything else it's a partly responsible thing. There could be literally an endless list of different reasons why people voted Trump; SJW culture, Terror attracks, economic downturn, Hillary being an awful candidate as well. I think people went into this vote really wanting change so bad, and Trump was the one shouting the loudest that he promised to bring some kind of change (however much of a bigot he made himself sound doing it).

But yes, I've called out this petty SJW culture in several posts on this forum over the last week or so. There is an internet culture of name-calling against anyone who doesn't agree 100% with a particular groups' identity politics. And don't get me wrong, some people truly are bigots, but sometimes this charge of bigotry is used against even generally progressive-minded people who simply have nuanced middle-ground realistic opinion.

If you are in a relatively "privileged" position, you simply can't enter into these discussions on social issues from any angle without making some social blunder that gets you branded a "privileged asshole"... and if you choose not to engage at all for this very reason? Guess what, that's offensive too, because you're choosing to stay silent.

I think that environment just frustrates the unfairly vilified, and drives them to a point of thinking "oh well I can't win whatever I do, so fuck you".

What's gone missing is a real genuine discussion culture. We can't rationally talk about anything like adults anymore. So many people are just so damn sensitive to opinions they don't agree with that they have to shut people down with accusations of bigotry, rather than hear what they have to say.

You can take any "social issue" conversation right now, whether it's racism, sexism, "Islamophobia" (I hate that term, I prefer "anti-Muslim sentiment"), homophobia etc, you see the same thing. You are caught between people who claim that these forms of bigotry flat don't exist on one side, and people on the other side who think one or more of those forms of bigotry are to blame for absolutely everything. Both sides completely lack nuance or an ability to hold a meaningful productive conversation, I think it is becoming truly progressive to be opposed to both.

(November 15, 2016 at 8:58 pm)dyresand Wrote: The other thing is SJW's aren't  bad per say but with feminists too they could be attacking real stuff like the middle east and how woman are treated in that culture.

SJWs are bad.

They are fucking cancer.