(December 9, 2016 at 2:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Hehehe, insinuate racism.  I think I;ve gone farther than just insinuating it, lol.  Hell, I don't even know why you bother to bullshit with me, you know I have a soft spot for racists with integrity.  You can more comfortably be who you are with me than you can deny what you make every effort to make obvious.  I'd stop giving you shit for being such a bigot if you could find the courage to just -be-, lol.  Hell, I might even be inclined to say -nice- things about your bigotry, you know, be that friend deplorables want so bad.  You know I fly the stars and bars, right, that all my rl friends are racist as hell...........


Syria -does- have "white" refugees................does that help you feel more comfortable?  OFC not, cuz them boys aint really white, amiright or amiright?  You, apparently, can't tell the difference between chechens and syrians...I'm guessing, "because islam".

And while your being nice to them make sure to give them there comfort blanky and plug in there night light and tuck them in and don't forget to lay down the waterproof sheets so the xenophobes don't piss the bed because scary brown people who talk funny might come get them in the night

Roger that.  On the note of comforting the babies, I bet Alpha is stewing over my last post...and yet, in this thread, espouses an ideology of "let's not help because they're different and I don't want to import their religious beliefs, so they can just fuck off and die, all of em"......but me ribbing his cruise boating brother and trump voting family, that's probably uncalled for. That's the real problem in america, today. People like me, who say things like that. We.....should be nicer.

One group of people sees muslims somewhere knock down a few lightposts, like that's uncommon -anywhere-, and decides they're somehow sub-american, and plasters his yard with white supremicist advertising material...they tried to fucking kill me and I managed not to vote for Trump. God only knows how I fought off the urge.

(December 9, 2016 at 2:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Roger that.  On the note of comforting the babies, I bet Alpha is stewing over my last post...

Why would you think that? If I stewed over debates, I wouldn't debate.

Quote:and yet, in this thread, espouses an ideology of "let's not help because they're different and I don't want to import their religious beliefs, so they can just fuck off and die, all of em"......but me ribbing his cruise boating brother and trump voting family, that's probably uncalled for.  That's the real problem in america, today.  People like me, who say things like that.  We.....should be nicer.

One group of people sees muslims somewhere knock down a few lightposts, like that's uncommon -anywhere-, and decides they're somehow sub-american, and plasters his yard with white supremicist advertising material...they tried to fucking kill me and I managed not to vote for Trump.  God only knows how I fought off the urge.

He spent years on a submarine that was older than he was. In Iraq, people were killed not far from him. If you want to belittle his service and patriotism, that's your business. It doesn't bother me, and I doubt it would bother him. When questioned about protestors in Iraq, his response was to shrug and say In a country of 30 million people, they're not all going to like you.

You have some really racist family and friends, and you project that onto everyone who disagrees with you. You need to get out more. There's nuance in the world.

What debate, you said something like this earlier, I'll tell you again what I told you then.  You're making shit up, then retreating from reality when called on it.  Your even retreating from your own damned reteating statements. What was that shit about our prosperity earlier? That's not a debate.  

I'm belittling you, for trying to use the specter of your brother, to deflect criticism of your own bigotries.  I don't know your brother from adam, lol.  We service types talk shit about each others branches and ranks as a point of endearment and competitive camaraderie, not that you'd know that, lol.

Again, as so often in thread, you're trying to excuse your bigotry by reference to others, particularly pointless in the case of my friends and family, since they're not -closeted- bigots anyway, and since I don't need to project their bigotry onto anyone to find it plenty of places in this country, and right here in thread, from yourself.

(December 9, 2016 at 4:07 pm)Rhythm Wrote: What debate, you said something like this earlier, I'll tell you again what I told you then.  You're making shit up, then retreating from reality when called on it.  Your even retreating from your own damned reteating statements.  What was that shit about our prosperity earlier?  That's not a debate.  

You know that it's common to use an opponent's position for effect in debate. If you want to ignore our debt so that we're wealthy, that's fine - but there are consequences to that position. One is that America, building on Europe, has found peace and prosperity. Other countries can see that. Some adopt our ways, with some modifications for their own cultures. Others don't. Personally I don't have much pity for skinned knees when the person refuses to wear knee pads.

Quote:I'm belittling you, for trying to use the specter of your brother, to deflect criticism of your own bigotries.

I'm pointing out an inconvenient truth for you - there are people who have volunteered, at risk of life, to go to the middle east to help out - and yet voted Trump.

Quote:Again, as so often in thread, you're trying to excuse your bigotry by reference to others, particularly pointless in the case of my friends and family, since they're not -closeted- bigots anyway, and since I don't need to project their bigotry onto anyone to find it plenty of places in this country, and right here in thread, from yourself.

Again, you're simplistically crying racism and dismissing complexity.

(December 9, 2016 at 4:17 pm)alpha male Wrote: You know that it's common to use an opponent's position for effect in debate. If you want to ignore our debt so that we're wealthy, that's fine - but there are consequences to that position. One is that America, building on Europe, has found peace and prosperity. Other countries can see that. Some adopt our ways, with some modifications for their own cultures. Others don't. Personally I don't have much pity for skinned knees when the person refuses to wear knee pads.

Add that to the growing list of things you don;t pity.  You;d probably have a quicker time listing off the few things you do "pity". 

Quote:I'm pointing out an inconvenient truth for you - there are people who have volunteered, at risk of life, to go to the middle east to help out - and yet voted Trump.

Why do you think that would be an inconvenient fact for me?  OFC there were, I might know just a little bit about servicemen, lol..  Alpha.....do you think that -you-....are going to surprise -me-....with regards to -us-? Racists have been serving their country for centuries. Honestly, what the fuck.....?

Quote:Again, you're simplistically crying racism and dismissing complexity.

As if complexity in racism made it other than racism?  Honestly, I don't think it's very complex anyway, confused, more like. Ignorant people often mistake their own confusion for complexity, no matter how simple the subject.

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Tell me, whats complex about this?  You tell us that you fear refugees because they might be terrorists, despite them not actually being terrorists (again, that'd be you and yours)....because you incorrectly conflated one group of people with another group of people because of certain similarities™.   Further, you fear immigrants, because they might invade your homeland, kill you, take your stuff, or worse, not assimilate to your superior culture (which itself, is largely stolen from them anyway). That's complexity? It's a complex, sure, but it's not complexity. You're a fearful xenophobic bigot, who can;t keep his own shit straight from one post to the next trying to avoid any realization of that exceedingly simple fact made obvious by none other than yourself. Case closed. All this Trump shit is an aside, you were a bigot before trump came along, just like you avoided facts before I ever insulted you. So ofc you voted trump, ofc you did. Suprise suprise, the apple never falls far from the tree....so did other members of your family.

Quote:Why do you think that would be an inconvenient fact for me?

Because most people would think that a person volunteering to help people of another race at risk of one's own life is evidence that the person is not racist. You ignore this and cry racist anyway.

Well, firstly, navy, so, not exactly risking his life in the most stringent sense, secondly, navy - serving his country..not iraqis.  Again, we've been doing it for some time.  That's not complex, it's obvious.  You do realize that service members aren't paragons of virtue, scrubbed of all human flaws...........right?  That plenty of people who hated gooks, "helped" the gooks in vietnam?  That plenty of people who hated ragheads, "helped" the ragheads in Iraq.  

I "helped" a few people in my time too, lol.

Who's ignoring anything, it just doesn;t mean what you seem to think it means. It;s just more wrapping yourself in a flag, like that was going to get you out of a jam.....and particularly shitty this time, in that you're wrapping yourself in other peoples flags. Whether I "cry racist" or not is irrelevant, your brother is the one with a fetish for white supremacist yard art, it was your call to offer that information up, and you're the one who chose to offer up all the rationalizations in this thread. Own, your own, shit.

(December 8, 2016 at 1:55 pm)alpha male Wrote: We're rich?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/#

As the US debt is in dollars, all the goverment really needs to eliminatie it is a couple more presses. And, frankly unless the US is completely different to any other nation with a soverign currency most of that debt is money it owes itself.

We're not.  The US is the largest holder of US debt and treasury bonds in the world. The crackpots peddle the idea that it's Jchina (boo, evil foreign takeover)...which it was, but that was under -their- boy, the Obama admin has been buying it back and borrowing inhouse. This, too, heavily criticized by the crackpots...because if Jchina isn't taking us over, how are they supposed to whip their base into a frothy mess?

(and ofc the reason we own all that debt is because we have a commitment to fiscal responsibility, we don't just print out money as needed - that's a privilege reserved for the banks, lol )