The only way Islam ever dominated in the world was hundreds and hundreds of years ago during the beginning of their religion and even then only in the sense of Europe which was the known world back then to most civilizations. It's much how the Roman and Macedonian empires conquered 'the world'. Or IOW, they conquered the world from their point of view. Back then Europe was The World to most of the civilized world. So much undiscovered.

BTW I wonder what life would have been like if humanity had played This Game We Call Life with no Fog Of War?

(Fuck I love AoE).

(December 24, 2016 at 10:35 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: The only way Islam ever dominated in the world was hundreds and hundreds of years ago during the beginning of their religion and even then only in the sense of Europe which was the known world back then to most civilizations. It's much how the Roman and Macedonian empires conquered 'the world'. Or IOW, they conquered the world from their point of view. Back then Europe was The World to most of the civilized world. So much undiscovered.

BTW I wonder what life would have been like if humanity had played This Game We Call Life with no Fog Of War?

(Fuck I love AoE).

I don't know muslim, countries tend to be backward so may play a lesser part in the trumpocalypse that will envelope the developed world. It may be that a muslim society will emerge from the radioactive ashes of the war.

At this point I find it so inevitable that i'm resigned to it.

Ok, I have a suggestion for OP: Turn off Faux News and Infowars and Breitbart and pay attention to reputable news sources. Something like BBC or even CNN. No, Islam isn't a legitimate threat to "dominate the world."

The last time Islam was especially influential was over a thousand years ago. Know why it was influential? Because they were less fundamentalist, more open minded and Baghdad was the center of the scientific world. I mean, hell, they even allowed freedom of religion, something that was completely foreign to the Christian parts of the world at the time. Since then, they've rejected science in favor of dogmatism and they aren't any kind of world power now.

So, if Islam ever does get powerful enough to be a major influence on western civilization, they're going to have to get a lot less dogmatic and a lot more open minded. And if they do that, I don't see their domination being especially harmful.

(December 24, 2016 at 1:47 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Ok, I have a suggestion for OP:  Turn off Faux News and Infowars and Breitbart and pay attention to reputable news sources.  Something like BBC or even CNN.  No, Islam isn't a legitimate threat to "dominate the world."  

The last time Islam was especially influential was over a thousand years ago.  Know why it was influential?  Because they were less fundamentalist, more open minded and Baghdad was the center of the scientific world.  I mean, hell, they even allowed freedom of religion, something that was completely foreign to the Christian parts of the world at the time.  Since then, they've rejected science in favor of dogmatism and they aren't any kind of world power now.  

So, if Islam ever does get powerful enough to be a major influence on western civilization, they're going to have to get a lot less dogmatic and a lot more open minded.  And if they do that, I don't see their domination being especially harmful.

I just feel sorry for you.

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As a general reply: those who are denying the fact that Muslims have ambitions to dominate the world or denying the obvious fact that Islam is a globalist religion that wants to impose itself on us are living their fake reality. I don't want to elaborate on my views because I'm tired of those scums bragging about Islam and freedom and all the crap and they've never been in a Muslim country. So if you don't know where I live or how I suffer every single day because of the so-called Islam, religion of hatred, then you can shut the f up. When Muslim migrants rape children, kill people by hundreds and you hear someone saying: "Islam is peaceful" this annoys the hell out of me seriously. This is because I'm a victim of that cultic religion. For Muslims to rape, torture, kill by thousands shouting Allah Akbar, no freedom of expression that's all OK for some people apparently. I'm left speechless and seriously hurt, scums exist everywhere aligning with the disgusting Islam.

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(December 21, 2016 at 6:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(December 21, 2016 at 12:40 pm)Defender Wrote: I'll take this book into my consideration. Thank you for mentioning this info.

If you can't find it - and if you trust the thought police in your country - I have an electronic version of it if you'd like.

Police here are serious mindless thugs. Of course, you can't insult holy police here, otherwise you risk jail for some years.  But I can find the book online if I want. I just don't have the appetite to do anything after that horrible incident. I feel sick of this country.

(December 24, 2016 at 3:45 pm)Defender Wrote:

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As a general reply: those who are denying the fact that Muslims have ambitions to dominate the world or denying the obvious fact that Islam is a globalist religion that wants to impose itself on us are living their fake reality. I don't want to elaborate on my views because I'm tired of those scums bragging about Islam and freedom and all the crap and they've never been in a Muslim country. So if you don't know where I live or how I suffer every single day because of the so-called Islam, religion of hatred, then you can shut the f up. When Muslim migrants rape children, kill people by hundreds and you hear someone saying: "Islam is peaceful" this annoys the hell out of me seriously. This is because I'm a victim of that cultic religion. For Muslims to rape, torture, kill by thousands shouting Allah Akbar, no freedom of expression that's all OK for some people apparently. I'm left speechless and seriously hurt, scums exist everywhere aligning with the disgusting Islam.

I never said they don't want to take over the world.  They do.  Just like Christians want to take over the world.  The difference is, Muslims, while they have the desire to take over the world, they don't have the ability.  I mean, they made one significant attack against a western power with 9/11.  Ok, they did some good damage to one city 15 years ago.  Since then, we've been turning entire nations into big smoldering craters.

Now, yes, I do think there have been some difficulties with immigrants from Muslim countries and a bit of a culture clash.  These are minor issues here.  Sometimes there are terrorist attacks here and there.  No, not good, but the fact that they make the news means they're fairly uncommon.  But the legitimate terrorists or rapists are far outnumbered by people who are having their homes destroyed by war in the middle east and they just want somewhere to go to get away from it or people who are suffering under terrible regimes and want to escape.  Are you saying that the Muslim parts of the world are terrible.... but we can't let people get away from them?  Are you willing to let thousands of innocent refugees suffer because a few dozen terrorists might get through?  Do you think the comparatively few Muslim terrorists speak for all of Islam, while Westboro Baptist Church doesn't speak for all Christians?  Do you understand that this kind of thinking is why so many middle east countries hate us?

Sure.  The Koran has some pretty horrible stuff in it.  It also has some pretty good stuff in it.  Holy books have this strange way of being used to both justify and condemn both sides of damn near any issue.  And notice I said "holy books."  The Bible isn't excluded from that statement; In fact, I very specifically want to point out that it has been used to justify slavery, segregation, antisemitism, belief in a flat earth, monarchies and countless other issues, only to have later day preachers use the same holy book to argue the other side of all those issues. 

I mean, Islamophobia may be overblown by some nuts out there, but it exists.  And you're kinda showing what it is.

(December 24, 2016 at 11:00 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(December 24, 2016 at 3:45 pm)Defender Wrote:

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As a general reply: those who are denying the fact that Muslims have ambitions to dominate the world or denying the obvious fact that Islam is a globalist religion that wants to impose itself on us are living their fake reality. I don't want to elaborate on my views because I'm tired of those scums bragging about Islam and freedom and all the crap and they've never been in a Muslim country. So if you don't know where I live or how I suffer every single day because of the so-called Islam, religion of hatred, then you can shut the f up. When Muslim migrants rape children, kill people by hundreds and you hear someone saying: "Islam is peaceful" this annoys the hell out of me seriously. This is because I'm a victim of that cultic religion. For Muslims to rape, torture, kill by thousands shouting Allah Akbar, no freedom of expression that's all OK for some people apparently. I'm left speechless and seriously hurt, scums exist everywhere aligning with the disgusting Islam.

I never said they don't want to take over the world.  They do.  Just like Christians want to take over the world.  The difference is, Muslims, while they have the desire to take over the world, they don't have the ability.  I mean, they made one significant attack against a western power with 9/11.  Ok, they did some good damage to one city 15 years ago.  Since then, we've been turning entire nations into big smoldering craters.

Now, yes, I do think there have been some difficulties with immigrants from Muslim countries and a bit of a culture clash.  These are minor issues here.  Sometimes there are terrorist attacks here and there.  No, not good, but the fact that they make the news means they're fairly uncommon.  But the legitimate terrorists or rapists are far outnumbered by people who are having their homes destroyed by war in the middle east and they just want somewhere to go to get away from it or people who are suffering under terrible regimes and want to escape.  Are you saying that the Muslim parts of the world are terrible.... but we can't let people get away from them?  Are you willing to let thousands of innocent refugees suffer because a few dozen terrorists might get through?  Do you think the comparatively few Muslim terrorists speak for all of Islam, while Westboro Baptist Church doesn't speak for all Christians?  Do you understand that this kind of thinking is why so many middle east countries hate us?

Sure.  The Koran has some pretty horrible stuff in it.  It also has some pretty good stuff in it.  Holy books have this strange way of being used to both justify and condemn both sides of damn near any issue.  And notice I said "holy books."  The Bible isn't excluded from that statement; In fact, I very specifically want to point out that it has been used to justify slavery, segregation, antisemitism, belief in a flat earth, monarchies and countless other issues, only to have later day preachers use the same holy book to argue the other side of all those issues. 

I mean, Islamophobia may be overblown by some nuts out there, but it exists.  And you're kinda showing what it is.

The terms you're using are clearly very damaging and hurtful to anyone who deeply lived within Islam. You say Islamophobia, this term is used by the media to make us believe that Muslims are innocent refugees. When you speak about refugees, all clues point out to one thing, there's no refugee crisis but most of those refugees aren't Syrians in the first place and are coming from Africa, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia and other countries. How do you seriously believe young men, young strong men come to Europe shouting Allah Akbar and calling for jihad are only a small portion of the refugee population? It's absolutely unprecedented to hear all of that. Then, ask yourself who created these horrible wars? You know the never ending propaganda in CNN, BBC which you just pointed out in your previous post. Read the facts clearly and then come back. 

I'm Islamophobe and I love it 

(December 24, 2016 at 11:00 pm)TaraJo Wrote: I never said they don't want to take over the world.

I know you're arguing against the OP, but the bolded they show that even you have partly fallen for the narrative of every muslim being the same. They're just people and their vast majority goes about their business as everyone else. Toiling the fields, trying to scratch a living.

What we get to hear from rightwing agitators and tabloids makes them seem like a faceless homogenous mass. That's why I always keep saying, they're the new jews, the scapegoats and the imagined thread of being taken over by them if we don't rise up against them. It's the exact same narrative we heard some 80 years ago. Only the groups have changed.

There is no they in muslim as there isn't a they in christans. They have just as many denominations, cultures and ethnic differences as anybody else. The only ones wetting themselves over a Khalifat are a tiny fraction within the 1,4 billions. For the largest part members of a small Sunni sect.

So many delusions to address, so I'll just take my sweet time and start at the top: 

Quote:those who are denying the fact that Muslims have ambitions to dominate the world or denying the obvious fact that Islam is a globalist religion that wants to impose itself on us are living their fake reality.

Nah, you're the one living in your fake reality, buddy. Or rather, your paranoid, ignorant and fear based reality. Good luck with that. Have you tried giving sense a try? I'm sure there are some Muslims carrying such ambitions, but they're nowhere near a number or strength that makes them any kind of real threat. No more than e.g. Christians with ambition to dominate the world, or Scientologists. 

Quote:I don't want to elaborate on my views because I'm tired of those scums bragging about Islam and freedom and all the crap

You've already elaborated loads on your views, but hey, keep clinging to your delusions. And yeah, freedom sucks. Don't you just hate freedom? Ugh! 

Quote:So if you don't know where I live or how I suffer every single day because of the so-called Islam, religion of hatred, then you can shut the f up

It's funny how the ignorant always seem to think that their single, personal experiences somehow automagically transfers into statistical facts that should be applied globally and for all occasions and for everyone else. Huh. Funny indeed. (Also that their personal experiences entitles them to tell everyone else to "shut the f up.")

Quote:When Muslim migrants rape children, kill people by hundreds and you hear someone saying: "Islam is peaceful" this annoys the hell out of me seriously.

But when Christians do it it's fine? Or when atheists do it? Or agnostics? Or rapists and murderers from any other religion? Here's a bit of fact for you, since you seem to be sorely lacking in that department: Scumbags come from all religions, and they align with all religions. It's not a problem with Islam, it's a problem with humans. 

Quote:For Muslims to rape, torture, kill by thousands shouting (...), no freedom of expression that's all OK for some people apparently.

Nobody is saying that any of these things are OK. If you believe that, then that is proof that you have seriously misinterpreted a LOT of things. We're saying that Muslims aren't the only ones who do things like these, they're not even the majority. Ergo they're no bigger threat or problem than anyone else from other religions.

Quote: Police here are serious mindless thugs.

Here, too.

(December 27, 2016 at 9:00 pm)Thal Wrote: So many delusions to address, so I'll just take my sweet time and start at the top: 

Quote:those who are denying the fact that Muslims have ambitions to dominate the world or denying the obvious fact that Islam is a globalist religion that wants to impose itself on us are living their fake reality.

Nah, you're the one living in your fake reality, buddy. Or rather, your paranoid, ignorant and fear based reality. Good luck with that. Have you tried giving sense a try? I'm sure there are some Muslims carrying such ambitions, but they're nowhere near a number or strength that makes them any kind of real threat. No more than e.g. Christians with ambition to dominate the world, or Scientologists. 

Quote:I don't want to elaborate on my views because I'm tired of those scums bragging about Islam and freedom and all the crap

You've already elaborated loads on your views, but hey, keep clinging to your delusions. And yeah, freedom sucks. Don't you just hate freedom? Ugh! 

Quote:So if you don't know where I live or how I suffer every single day because of the so-called Islam, religion of hatred, then you can shut the f up

It's funny how the ignorant always seem to think that their single, personal experiences somehow automagically transfers into statistical facts that should be applied globally and for all occasions and for everyone else. Huh. Funny indeed. (Also that their personal experiences entitles them to tell everyone else to "shut the f up.")

Quote:When Muslim migrants rape children, kill people by hundreds and you hear someone saying: "Islam is peaceful" this annoys the hell out of me seriously.

But when Christians do it it's fine? Or when atheists do it? Or agnostics? Or rapists and murderers from any other religion? Here's a bit of fact for you, since you seem to be sorely lacking in that department: Scumbags come from all religions, and they align with all religions. It's not a problem with Islam, it's a problem with humans. 

Quote:For Muslims to rape, torture, kill by thousands shouting (...), no freedom of expression that's all OK for some people apparently.

Nobody is saying that any of these things are OK. If you believe that, then that is proof that you have seriously misinterpreted a LOT of things. We're saying that Muslims aren't the only ones who do things like these, they're not even the majority. Ergo they're no bigger threat or problem than anyone else from other religions.

I'll prove to you that you're the uneducated one here. 

When you talk about Muslims committing crimes that are simply committed by others, you miss the total point. We're talking about crimes which are highly motivated by religious factors attributed to Islam. So to speak about your autocracy and real ignorance, you failed miserably to understand that you're a fool in the first place. You use the diplomacy of groups and generality and here we're talking specifically about islamification. Not all Muslims are demons, but Islam is a problematic religion in this century just like any other religions that used to be bad, but certainly not as bad as Islam today. Christians do commit crimes just like any other individuals, but they don't commit their crimes shouting "Jesus Akbar!" Everyone could commit a crime, but the definition of a crime is vague and related to the social order. 


Read my language carefully, you failed miserably again I say it to you in understanding my expressions. Either you're a liberal or a Muslim. Sad to hear from you :\

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(December 25, 2016 at 5:58 am)abaris Wrote:

(December 24, 2016 at 11:00 pm)TaraJo Wrote: I never said they don't want to take over the world.

I know you're arguing against the OP, but the bolded they show that even you have partly fallen for the narrative of every muslim being the same. They're just people and their vast majority goes about their business as everyone else. Toiling the fields, trying to scratch a living.

What we get to hear from rightwing agitators and tabloids makes them seem like a faceless homogenous mass. That's why I always keep saying, they're the new jews, the scapegoats and the imagined thread of being taken over by them if we don't rise up against them. It's the exact same narrative we heard some 80 years ago. Only the groups have changed.

There is no they in muslim as there isn't a they in christans. They have just as many denominations, cultures and ethnic differences as anybody else. The only ones wetting themselves over a Khalifat are a tiny fraction within the 1,4 billions. For the largest part members of a small Sunni sect.

My goodness, I need to listen to people like you more I guess because people like you will educated me in re-education camps just like those in the Soviet Union or North Korea now. Congratulation for your pro Islamic agenda that already have fallen apart. I'm tired of this forum.