(December 28, 2016 at 11:52 pm)pool the great Wrote: I'm not sure how much compassion raped women are offered with but I'm 1000% sure they do recieve tremendous amount of support and are properly served justice.

For someone who is 1000% sure, you're pretty wrong, dude. Just because you've read some cases where that happened does not mean that's the most common experience. You're sitting here trying to convince me that my experience was not my experience. It's bizarre. Are you going to hand deliver me my tremendous support and justice, because I don't seem to have any handy. I wonder how many women on this forum have been raped or sexually abused and had a negative reaction because of it. Anyone brave enough to talk about being called a slut or being told "it was too late to say no" or how their family swept it under the rug or how people blamed them because they were drinking?

Pool, men and women both deserve compassion, kindness and justice after rape or sexual assault. That's all there is to the story. Stop pretending women are coddled and men shat on just to further your MRA agenda.

(December 29, 2016 at 10:47 am)Shell B Wrote:

(December 28, 2016 at 11:52 pm)pool the great Wrote: I'm not sure how much compassion raped women are offered with but I'm 1000% sure they do recieve tremendous amount of support and are properly served justice.

For someone who is 1000% sure, you're pretty wrong, dude. Just because you've read some cases where that happened does not mean that's the most common experience. You're sitting here trying to convince me that my experience was not my experience. It's bizarre. Are you going to hand deliver me my tremendous support and justice, because I don't seem to have any handy. I wonder how many women on this forum have been raped or sexually abused and had a negative reaction because of it. Anyone brave enough to talk about being called a slut or being told "it was too late to say no" or how their family swept it under the rug or how people blamed them because they were drinking?

Pool, men and women both deserve compassion, kindness and justice after rape or sexual assault. That's all there is to the story. Stop pretending women are coddled and men shat on just to further your MRA agenda.

Once again spot on

Hell in Canada we just fired a judge for asking a rape victim "Why didn't you close your legs"

As for the MRA they are least compassionate people I have every met they use male rape as politics butt rarely do I see any compassion  As I said before try going to one of there chats as a male victim expect abuse and rape jokes because you let a "woman " abuse you and only beta's do that.

(December 28, 2016 at 11:52 pm)pool the great Wrote: I'm not sure how much compassion raped women are offered with but I'm 1000% sure they do recieve tremendous amount of support and are properly served justice.

Tell me how this is "properly served justice": http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-...-stanford/

Quote:This is not the case for men at all. Men are laughed at for getting raped.

I'm not saying women have it perfect, I am however saying there is something seriously wrong when it is socially accepted to laugh at a male victim for receiving abuse and mocking him with no repercussions.

Where's the social justice warriors on that?

You are right about this, but just because men get laughed at for getting raped doesn't mean we should ignore the fact that women are often also demeaned by society and by the courts when they are raped also. The problem affects both women and men; we should come together and deal with the problem as a whole.

Injustice and demeaning language gets hurled at both male and female victims of rape:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/12/world/robi...ents-trnd/

http://womenspost.ca/articlessocialnetwo...pe-victim/

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/justice/wo...-her-rape/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/30/male-t...-teachers/

I guess a lot of male rape happens in prison and is completely off the radar of most people.

Tibs, I'm not saying women have it perfect but at least they have something. Men are pretty much fucked in terms of resources they can have access to in case of abuse. Just look at domestic violence support websites, for women they say "If you are a victim of domestic violence of any kind contact us." and for men they say "If you are afraid of engaging in domestic violence please contact us. We care about your safety.", I'm paraphrasing but that's basically what they say.

According to one famous model by a feminist men are literally incapable of being victims of domestic violence. Imagine that. A man that got his face beat up goes looking for support and what he sees is "If you are afraid of engaging in domestic violence please contact us. We care about your safety."

Plus there's lots of different social stigma attached with male victims vs female victims. Whenever the public hears about female victims they immediately go into protective mode and wonder oh you poor thing but when it comes to male victims the gut reaction is either to laugh or to wonder what kind of loser he must be to not only be a victim of abuse but to actually whine about it.

Just look at for example a man getting kicked in the sack, people laugh their ass off at this. Male abuse is pretty much mainstream comedy.

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(December 29, 2016 at 11:18 am)abaris Wrote: I guess a lot of male rape happens in prison and is completely off the radar of most people.

Yep, there's that too. The sad thing is most people doesn't even care.

(December 29, 2016 at 1:57 pm)pool the great Wrote: Tibs, I'm not saying women have it perfect but at least they have something. Men are pretty much fucked in terms of resources they can have access to in case of abuse. Just look at domestic violence support websites, for women they say "If you are a victim of domestic violence of any kind contact us." and for men they say "If you are afraid of engaging in domestic violence please contact us. We care about your safety.", I'm paraphrasing but that's basically what they say.  

According to one famous model by a feminist men are literally incapable of being victims of domestic violence. Imagine that. A man that got his face beat up goes looking for support and what he sees is "If you are afraid of engaging in domestic violence please contact us. We care about your safety."

Plus there's lots of different social stigma attached with male victims vs female victims. Whenever the public hears about female victims they immediately go into protective mode and wonder oh you poor thing but when it comes to male victims the gut reaction is either to laugh or to wonder what kind of loser he must be to not only be a victim of abuse but to actually whine about it.

Just look at for example a man getting kicked in the sack, people laugh their ass off at this. Male abuse is pretty much mainstream comedy.

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(December 29, 2016 at 11:18 am)abaris Wrote: I guess a lot of male rape happens in prison and is completely off the radar of most people.

Yep, there's that too. The sad thing is most people doesn't even care.

Male rape doesn't only happen in prison, that would be absurd to claim that. Male on male rape just like male on female rape is not about sexual preference anymore than child molestation is. Sexual assault of an adult or a child is about opportunity and power and control.

The right to face the accuser should be. But what should not be, is what courts have done historically in slut shaming women. False accusations can be made. Even by parents of children. There was a daycare case in California where a doze employees were accused by an over zealous society and the kids were not interviewed at the time by a trained child psychologist, so the kids simply said what they thought the cops and court wanted to hear.

Having said all that, it still remains most of the time, the vast majority of the time when victim reports they are NOT lying. 

But even with out rape in prison, America is fucking stupid the way we don't allow men to seek help and when they have nothing, or when they commit a non violent crime, we end up warehousing them with violent people, then when they get out, they become aggressive or even suffer PTSD.

But between men and women women get sexually assaulted at a far higher rate. When it comes to violence in the home, women get abused at a far higher rate.

(December 29, 2016 at 9:30 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I notice you still haven't replied to my last post, Pool.

He stops responding once he's backed himself into a corner he can't get out of.

He seems to think that if he reads about or hears about a case of a guy getting made fun of for claiming he was raped, then that is immediately the case for every man who has ever claimed rape.

(December 29, 2016 at 5:38 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 29, 2016 at 1:57 pm)pool the great Wrote: Tibs, I'm not saying women have it perfect but at least they have something. Men are pretty much fucked in terms of resources they can have access to in case of abuse. Just look at domestic violence support websites, for women they say "If you are a victim of domestic violence of any kind contact us." and for men they say "If you are afraid of engaging in domestic violence please contact us. We care about your safety.", I'm paraphrasing but that's basically what they say.  

According to one famous model by a feminist men are literally incapable of being victims of domestic violence. Imagine that. A man that got his face beat up goes looking for support and what he sees is "If you are afraid of engaging in domestic violence please contact us. We care about your safety."

Plus there's lots of different social stigma attached with male victims vs female victims. Whenever the public hears about female victims they immediately go into protective mode and wonder oh you poor thing but when it comes to male victims the gut reaction is either to laugh or to wonder what kind of loser he must be to not only be a victim of abuse but to actually whine about it.

Just look at for example a man getting kicked in the sack, people laugh their ass off at this. Male abuse is pretty much mainstream comedy.

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Yep, there's that too. The sad thing is most people doesn't even care.

Male rape doesn't only happen in prison, that would be absurd to claim that. Male on male rape just like male on female rape is not about sexual preference anymore than child molestation is. Sexual assault of an adult or a child is about opportunity and power and control.

The right to face the accuser should be. But what should not be, is what courts have done historically in slut shaming women. False accusations can be made. Even by parents of children. There was a daycare case in California where a doze employees were accused by an over zealous society and the kids were not interviewed at the time by a trained child psychologist, so the kids simply said what they thought the cops and court wanted to hear.

Having said all that, it still remains most of the time, the vast majority of the time when victim reports they are NOT lying. 

But even with out rape in prison, America is fucking stupid the way we don't allow men to seek help and when they have nothing, or when they commit a non violent crime, we end up warehousing them with violent people, then when they get out, they become aggressive or even suffer PTSD.

But between men and women women get sexually assaulted at a far higher rate. When it comes to violence in the home, women get abused at a far higher rate.

The claim most people don't care has nothing to do with the fact there men. Woman in prison get raped higher. How often do you hear about that?. It's about our stigma of criminals and peoples lack of empathy for them mixed with a general ignorance not there what sex they are that's the cause .And once again I don't often see much sympathy from MRA for there kinds male rape is just politics.

As for support that's also BS  Mankind initative ,The TNDVH the MRC. the MAL and can name at least a dozen others THAT SPECIFICALLY DEAL WITH THIS VERY ISSUE. Considering my job deals with domestic abuse I should freaking know. The problem in my experience. Men are ashamed that they have failed at meeting a male made image that men can't be victims and that admitting they can be lessens them . The resources are there they just need to use them.

(December 29, 2016 at 6:05 pm)Orochi Wrote: It's about our stigma of criminals not there what sex they are that's the cause

It's the don't give a shit syndrome. People just don't care when it happens behind prison walls. Not because of stigma but because it's under the radar of most people. It doesn't get coverage and most people don't think they could be on the receiving end at one time.

(December 29, 2016 at 5:53 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(December 29, 2016 at 9:30 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I notice you still haven't replied to my last post, Pool.

He stops responding once he's backed himself into a corner he can't get out of.

He seems to think that if he reads about or hears about a case of a guy getting made fun of for claiming he was raped, then that is immediately the case for every man who has ever claimed rape.

Yeah ... exactly why I'm bringing it up. Some folks are a chamois ... I have a touch of the scouring pad to me.

He'll either answer, or be shown out for being Fool the Great.