(December 31, 2016 at 8:06 pm)ComradeMeow Wrote: I find it funny that people get hostile over simple facts. I don't think dismissing it is something worthy of self declared achievment

Facts taken out of context are worse than useless, especially when twisted to push such an odious agenda.

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(December 31, 2016 at 11:39 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(December 31, 2016 at 8:06 pm)ComradeMeow Wrote: I find it funny that people get hostile over simple facts. I don't think dismissing it is something worthy of self declared achievment

Facts taken out of context are worse than useless, especially when twisted to push such an odious agenda.

I don't get where the odious agenda comes from. I don't find anything bad in right wing politics except for the self-righteous religious nuts who think the hand of Gawd is ready to smite those who like their fudge well packed. I understand that dislike and I say it is completely fair due to the lack of ethics involved in it but be serious here.
Do you really feel so bad about us Righties that you find us evil? I find Lefties to be immature I admit but I won't hold it against their head every time. Many things they say and do are very important to me like environmentalism and secularism. 

I also do not find any of the facts taken out of context. They are what they are unless you are using them as a tool for legislation. But people like me want to deregulate the nation not the reverse, so saying that it is somehow a horrible agenda only implies domination of some sort. You cannot dominate without force and the principle of force has always resided heavily in leftist politics.

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(December 31, 2016 at 8:23 pm)Orochi Wrote:

(December 31, 2016 at 8:06 pm)ComradeMeow Wrote: I find it funny that people get hostile over simple facts. I don't think dismissing it is something worthy of self declared achievement

I find it funny you believe this nonsense is facts let alone simple facts

Please tell me why it is nonsense. I will hear you out. I have done the research and am not ashamed of my opinions. I say the facts are simple and extremely blatant to where they lead as far as conclusions about race and immigration.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:30 am)ComradeMeow Wrote:

(December 31, 2016 at 11:39 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Facts taken out of context are worse than useless, especially when twisted to push such an odious agenda.

I don't get where the odious agenda comes from. I don't find anything bad in right wing politics except for the self-righteous religious nuts who think the hand of Gawd is ready to smite those who like their fudge well packed. I understand that dislike and I say it is completely fair due to the lack of ethics involved in it but be serious here.
Do you really feel so bad about us Righties that you find us evil? I find Lefties to be immature I admit but I won't hold it against their head every time. Many things they say and do are very important to me like environmentalism and secularism. 

I also do not find any of the facts taken out of context. They are what they are unless you are using them as a tool for legislation. But people like me want to deregulate the nation not the reverse, so saying that it is somehow a horrible agenda only implies domination of some sort. You cannot dominate without force and the principle of force has always resided heavily in leftist politics.

The right wing ARE evil.
You cant really help it when the whole agenda is one of selfishness and polarisation.
Demonising the needy, restricting the rights of women and minorities.
Being hawkish where it comes to war.
I find righties to be very immature, tending to look at the world in black and white when the world is more nuanced.
The left is about social and economic inclusion and generally not acting like dicks to other people.
The right want to act like dicks and not be called on it.
And don't get me started on anti intellectualism.

Theyre gonna build a wall and stop ladies having choices over their bodies.

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(December 31, 2016 at 8:23 pm)Orochi Wrote: I find it funny you believe this nonsense is facts let alone simple facts

Quote:Please tell me why it is nonsense. I will hear you out. I have done the research and am not ashamed of my opinions. I say the facts are simple and extremely blatant to where they lead as far as conclusions about race and immigration.

1. Because it's nonsense what else is there to say

2.No you have not done your research because if you had this shit would not stink

3. Your lack of shame of your ignorance is none of my concern

4.Nope these are neither facts nor are they simple and your conclusion are flawed in the extreme

(January 1, 2017 at 5:37 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 5:30 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: I don't get where the odious agenda comes from. I don't find anything bad in right wing politics except for the self-righteous religious nuts who think the hand of Gawd is ready to smite those who like their fudge well packed. I understand that dislike and I say it is completely fair due to the lack of ethics involved in it but be serious here.
Do you really feel so bad about us Righties that you find us evil? I find Lefties to be immature I admit but I won't hold it against their head every time. Many things they say and do are very important to me like environmentalism and secularism. 

I also do not find any of the facts taken out of context. They are what they are unless you are using them as a tool for legislation. But people like me want to deregulate the nation not the reverse, so saying that it is somehow a horrible agenda only implies domination of some sort. You cannot dominate without force and the principle of force has always resided heavily in leftist politics.

The right wing ARE evil.
You cant really help it when the whole agenda is one of selfishness and polarisation.
Demonising the needy, restricting the rights of women and minorities.
Being hawkish where it comes to war.
I find righties to be very immature, tending to look at the world in black and white when the world is more nuanced.
The left is about social and economic inclusion and generally not acting like dicks to other people.
The right want to act like dicks and not be called on it.
And don't get me started on anti intellectualism.

Theyre gonna build a wall and stop ladies having choices over their bodies.

Nothing you said describes Right wingers. It describes Republicans to some extent but not even the majority of Republicans. Just Republican politicians. 

The right is about individual effort. The concept that a man's labor is a man's life and nobody has the right to help this man but the people who want to help him. The needy must be given the chance to provide for themselves and the means of lifting themselves up from whatever background they have. 
They are NOT to be helped through the usage of force by government. 
Also us righties do not believe in restricting women's rights. AT ALL! But like I said earlier that only depends if you are a Republican. 
BUT no woman has the right to an abortion or the right to contraception. She has the right to buy those things like any other person. 

The right stands for principles and not emotional responses. 

Also the fact you called us hawkish is about as untruthful as possible. If you are a libertarian you believe in the non-aggression principle and the sustaining of freedom on the basis of the absence of aggression through social or state violence. This includes war in all shapes and forms other than defense. Most people like me do not even believe in the power of the federalization of the military.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:56 am)ComradeMeow Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 5:37 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The right wing ARE evil.
You cant really help it when the whole agenda is one of selfishness and polarisation.
Demonising the needy, restricting the rights of women and minorities.
Being hawkish where it comes to war.
I find righties to be very immature, tending to look at the world in black and white when the world is more nuanced.
The left is about social and economic inclusion and generally not acting like dicks to other people.
The right want to act like dicks and not be called on it.
And don't get me started on anti intellectualism.

Theyre gonna build a wall and stop ladies having choices over their bodies.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:56 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: Nothing you said describes Right wingers. It describes Republicans to some extent but not even the majority of Republicans. Just Republican politicians. 

The right is about individual effort. The concept that a man's labor is a man's life and nobody has the right to help this man but the people who want to help him. The needy must be given the chance to provide for themselves and the means of lifting themselves up from whatever background they have. 
They are NOT to be helped through the usage of force by government. 

That's what I said. Demonising the needy. This individual effort crap is bullshit to salve your conscience. There are many people who will never be able to lift themselves out of poverty by their own effort either because of circumstance, ability or other some other reason. The governments main job should be helping their citizens. You know there will be a time when a robot could do your job for less, doesn't matter what your job is at some point it will be done by a computer or a robot. I bet you'll be wanting assistance then!
This is exactly what I mean by selfish and blinkered.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:56 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: Also us righties do not believe in restricting women's rights. AT ALL! But like I said earlier that only depends if you are a Republican. 
BUT no woman has the right to an abortion or the right to contraception. She has the right to buy those things like any other person.

You may be on the right and not want to restrict womens rights, good for you but that puts you to the left of most righties who do want to restrict rights.
 

(January 1, 2017 at 5:56 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: The right stands for principles and not emotional responses. 

Lets look at what the Wikipedia definition of the right is shall we.

Quote:Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable,typically defending this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition. Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences or the competition in market economies.The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

So by definition the right wing in trench social differences and inequality.
Evil.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:56 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: Also the fact you called us hawkish is about as untruthful as possible. If you are a libertarian you believe in the non-aggression principle and the sustaining of freedom on the basis of the absence of aggression through social or state violence. This includes war in all shapes and forms other than defense. Most people like me do not even believe in the power of the federalization of the military.

Wow and this is the "right wing" we see is it!
Or is the right generally the ones with the guns calling for war.


And as to the federalistaion of the military what are you suggesting to replace it with mercenaries? Coz that worked so well in Iraq [/sarcasm] (Blackwater anyone.

Your view of the right just seems to be an attempt at justification for being a dick to others.
A stance we in the UK called "I'm all right Jack" which means that you are ok and everyone else can go screw themselves.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:56 am)ComradeMeow Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 5:37 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The right wing ARE evil.
You cant really help it when the whole agenda is one of selfishness and polarisation.
Demonising the needy, restricting the rights of women and minorities.
Being hawkish where it comes to war.
I find righties to be very immature, tending to look at the world in black and white when the world is more nuanced.
The left is about social and economic inclusion and generally not acting like dicks to other people.
The right want to act like dicks and not be called on it.
And don't get me started on anti intellectualism.

Theyre gonna build a wall and stop ladies having choices over their bodies.

Nothing you said describes Right wingers. It describes Republicans to some extent but not even the majority of Republicans. Just Republican politicians. 

The right is about individual effort. The concept that a man's labor is a man's life and nobody has the right to help this man but the people who want to help him. The needy must be given the chance to provide for themselves and the means of lifting themselves up from whatever background they have. 
They are NOT to be helped through the usage of force by government. 
Also us righties do not believe in restricting women's rights. AT ALL! But like I said earlier that only depends if you are a Republican. 
BUT no woman has the right to an abortion or the right to contraception. She has the right to buy those things like any other person. 

The right stands for principles and not emotional responses. 

Also the fact you called us hawkish is about as untruthful as possible. If you are a libertarian you believe in the non-aggression principle and the sustaining of freedom on the basis of the absence of aggression through social or state violence. This includes war in all shapes and forms other than defense. Most people like me do not even believe in the power of the federalization of the military.

I personally agree with a lot of those values but I don't think that encapsulates the potential entirety of what right wing politics are.  

You could say though that not all right wing people are evil because you're right wing and you have these certain set of beliefs that you don't see as evil.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:30 am)ComradeMeow Wrote:

(December 31, 2016 at 11:39 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Facts taken out of context are worse than useless, especially when twisted to push such an odious agenda.

I don't get where the odious agenda comes from.

I don't know where racism comes from either ... but that is the obvious agenda the OP is pushing.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:30 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: I don't find anything bad in right wing politics except for the self-righteous religious nuts who think the hand of Gawd is ready to smite those who like their fudge well packed. I understand that dislike and I say it is completely fair due to the lack of ethics involved in it but be serious here.
Do you really feel so bad about us Righties that you find us evil?

Actually, elsewhere on this forum, you can find a recent thread where I defend conservatism in American politics. As I write in that thread, I think having a broad range of views is vital to healthy political discourse.

Also, I'm not sure why you think I consider conservatives "evil". Would you quote the words that gave you that impression? Clearly there's a misunderstanding afoot, one which I'll be happy to clear up.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:30 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: I find Lefties to be immature I admit but I won't hold it against their head every time. Many things they say and do are very important to me like environmentalism and secularism. 

That's nice. I find generalizations about this or that group to be useless. When people engage in generalizations, I find myself questioning how much they themselves question their own premises.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:30 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: I also do not find any of the facts taken out of context. They are what they are unless you are using them as a tool for legislation.

Nonsense. Bereft of the context of other sociocultural data, focusing solely on the race of the subjects of that data is simply a fancy post hoc mistake. For that data to be seen in context, other reasons why it might be so need to be examined as well.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:30 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: But people like me want to deregulate the nation not the reverse, so saying that it is somehow a horrible agenda only implies domination of some sort. You cannot dominate without force and the principle of force has always resided heavily in leftist politics.

Your assumption that an agenda can only be political is unfounded. That was not the agenda that I had in mind, and I'm unsure why you think otherwise.

(January 1, 2017 at 5:56 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: Also us righties do not believe in restricting women's rights. AT ALL!
BUT no woman has the right to an abortion or the right to contraception. She has the right to buy those things like any other person.

These two sentences directly contradict each other.

I don't think we agree fundamentally on what "restricting women's rights" means.

Of course "you righties" want to restrict women's rights. A very long history of this is plain evidence of it.