(February 8, 2017 at 5:26 pm)Violet Wrote:

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(February 8, 2017 at 5:05 pm)Jello Wrote: You're still not explaining why pink hair = bad, in the slightest, other than you have the opinion that they cannot be successful because of it, which is also unsubstantiated

Bad, if your understanding of bad is that it reduces the chances of a child succeeding in a professional setting. It is an opinion, it matters to me, and it would appear to be shared by many employers in this country (america, not where I am).

Good, if you're intending to see your child succeed in some artistic merit, perhaps. Doesn't pay as well on average though: market's oversaturated.

Ah, there's where part of the issue is; I'm in britain. We're not so pissy with stuff like this. Like i said, therapists and shit seem to have some real fun with their hair, and i'd deem them successful in a professional setting, although that may be biased as i wish to follow that path myself. (The becoming a therapist, not the dyed hair).

If you're curious why i keep going back to them as a point of reference as well, it's because it's the only one i have any evidence/experience with, i haven't looked much into hair dye in the professional world

I don't see an issue with the whole transgender issue in adults or children. Why this issue is still important is beyond me. My best guess is that "they" want to throw off the public from major issues going on.

(February 8, 2017 at 5:37 pm)Jello Wrote: Ah, there's where part of the issue is; I'm in britain. We're not so pissy with stuff like this. Like i said, therapists and shit seem to have some real fun with their hair, and i'd deem them successful in a professional setting, although that may be biased as i wish to follow that path myself. (The becoming a therapist, not the dyed hair).

If you're curious why i keep going back to them as a point of reference as well, it's because it's the only one i have any evidence/experience with, i haven't looked much into hair dye in the professional world

Have you really never seen professional dress codes? Don't they make you guys wear uniforms in your schools? First impressions really matter on employers.

Are you currently working in a professional environment? Does the NHS's desperation for more medical professionals supersede their desire to have presentable medical staff?

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(February 8, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Sterben Wrote: I don't see an issue with the whole transgender issue in adults or children. Why this issue is still important is beyond me.  My best guess is that "they" want to throw off the public from major issues going on.

Who, the trans-dimensional psychic vampires? I guess it would qualify as a wedge issue...

But sometimes these things matter to some people. Children being safe and of a sound psychological state matters to me... I'd view forcing (or pushing) a child onto hormone therapy before they've even hit puberty as an incredible risk for that child's future sanity, and as the effects of hormone therapy will linger on even after it's been stopped: it isn't without risk. 

It certainly shouldn't be a distraction from globalists trying to sneak things through, though. The media's complicit 

(February 8, 2017 at 5:26 pm)Violet Wrote: The data isn't particularly friendly to polygamy. Lotta really bad examples, including inside the united states (Utah, anyone?).

It's also a property law nightmare waiting to happen. But just because it hasn't worked out so well before and I don't know a way to make the laws work with it without shredding dozens of other laws that currently make marriage work the way it does (which, could be fine).

Which would be the polygamists problem..if they want to get married to three people they're gonna have a property issue headache....every married couple has to make that decision, though, you realize?  

Quote:To interpret the legislation within the law is the purpose of the lesser courts, to interpret the meaning of legislation as it applies to the constitution is the job of the supreme court, yes. That doesn't mean that the decisions made by the supreme court are not heavily politicized (as they're picked by partisan presidents), it doesn't mean that irreconcilable interpretations of the constitution can't be active at the same time, it doesn't mean that supreme court rulings are not subject to change over time... and most critically, it doesn't mean that the supreme court is always right to *choose* to delegate some of the cases that they do.

-snipped because what the actual fuck?  Go hash out you "hur dur activist judges" bit with someone remotely interested, lol.

Weren't we talking about a specific case, in which scotus declared miscegenation laws to be unconstitutional in the face of recalcitrant states that would not, like others had, of their own accord, handle the problem legislatively?  Don't fly off into lalaland with your own examples......

Quote:Purpose of my hormones and surgeries and whatever is to "infiltrate women's groups", as the first few batches of feminists liked to say. Neither the left nor the right is my friend in my illness... wouldn't make sense for me to reach out to either side: both bad remarkably similar ways (some of which Trump certainly shares, that authoritarianism though).

You aren't even your own friend in your illness, I don't know why you'd expect anyone else to be.  With that said..it seems to me that the people who would allow you to live your life as you wish to live it..rather than legislate you away just -might- be on your side...Violet.......even if you come across to them as a shitty person for reasons you're completely oblivious to.  

Quote:I've spent the last year or so reevaluating my relationship with my progressive friends. Haven't had many, but I found myself at an impasse over responsibility. As such, I've increasingly looked out for conservative opinions and leftist opinion that have reached me whether through news (BBC, CNN, etc) until the bias grew so onesided and the falsehoods so many that I just couldn't handle it anymore.

If you happen to know of any news that *isn't* right wing as fuck or left wing as fuck, I'd much appreciate ya tellin me. As it is, I trust very little news, as whether it's raised by the right or the left: it's always overblown.

Well, if you can't find any, but are capable of recognizing bias...as you seem to be claiming above, I'm not sure why the presence of bias would be a problem in the first place, whatever it is you mean by bias?  

Quote:Well yeah, we're coming to better understand what each other are wanting to say. Narrowing it down, as it were  

Cognitive whittling.

Quote:I haven't talked to myself in a long time, so... not sure what you mean by this?

You referred to a change in the way your moderate friends treated you...and seem to be attributing it to the same laundry list of conservative canards present throughout these posts....but isn't it possible that your moderate friends have suddenly started to treat you differently...because you've been saying the sorts of shit you've said in these posts?  The only common factor in all of your interpersonal relationships is yourself.  

Quote:Perhaps they are... but I see plenty of them reaffirming themselves often enough.

Do you, though, do you really...or are -you- the one imposing those attributions...again.  

Quote:You got it, bro

Fake it till ya make it. I like it.

I seem to remember a girl who told me she wasn't faking it, and how painful it was to have to fake it, the impossibility of faking it, the effect on her life and state of mind of faking it.  It;s strange, to me, to see you advocating for the imposition of all of the above on others...and further, arguing that it has some merit because tradition™ and the sensitive feelers of bigots who must be slowly mollycoddled into common human decency.

(February 8, 2017 at 5:46 pm)Violet Wrote:

(February 8, 2017 at 5:37 pm)Jello Wrote: Ah, there's where part of the issue is; I'm in britain. We're not so pissy with stuff like this. Like i said, therapists and shit seem to have some real fun with their hair, and i'd deem them successful in a professional setting, although that may be biased as i wish to follow that path myself. (The becoming a therapist, not the dyed hair).

If you're curious why i keep going back to them as a point of reference as well, it's because it's the only one i have any evidence/experience with, i haven't looked much into hair dye in the professional world

Have you really never seen professional dress codes? Don't they make you guys wear uniforms in your schools? First impressions really matter on employers.

Are you currently working in a professional environment? Does the NHS's desperation for more medical professionals supersede their desire to have presentable medical staff?

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(February 8, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Sterben Wrote: I don't see an issue with the whole transgender issue in adults or children. Why this issue is still important is beyond me.  My best guess is that "they" want to throw off the public from major issues going on.

Who, the trans-dimensional psychic vampires? I guess it would qualify as a wedge issue...

But sometimes these things matter to some people. Children being safe and of a sound psychological state matters to me... I'd view forcing (or pushing) a child onto hormone therapy before they've even hit puberty as an incredible risk for that child's future sanity, and as the effects of hormone therapy will linger on even after it's been stopped: it isn't without risk. 

It certainly shouldn't be a distraction from globalists trying to sneak things through, though. The media's complicit 

     It is risky unless you have a really medical professional to properly diagnose a child. I'm not expert at all, I've read in some cases stating that it's just a phase that they go through. If they did not keep pressing this issue in main stream writings or media; this issue would be of less concern.

If a adult personally chooses to change their gender biologically? fine. But I don't think children, and teens(At least early teens) should be allowed to go through surgery, as in some cases, they're just going through a phase. I don't support those parents who have their 9 year old children's genitals removed. Also parents shouldn't pressure their children to change their sexuality/gender. Which goes both ways.

Lol, now Violet is bitching about globalists. I'll say one thing. She sure does have the right-wing spin lingo down.

Next thing you know she'll be complaining that Lady Gaga is one of Satan's minions.

(February 8, 2017 at 6:08 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Which would be the polygamists problem..if they want to get married to three people they're gonna have a property issue headache....every married couple has to make that decision, though, you realize?

There's a default case in states that don't require prenups. Every married couple *should* make that decision if they want fair legal recognition in the event of divorce... but not all decide to.

Quote:-snipped because what the actual fuck?  Go hash out you "hur dur activist judges" bit with someone remotely interested, lol.

Weren't we talking about a specific case, in which scotus declared miscegenation laws to be unconstitutional in the face of recalcitrant states that would not, like others had, of their own accord, handle the problem legislatively?  Don't fly off into lalaland with your own examples......

As I said, long topic, for its own thread. We're into it on a topical level only, I'm glad enough to be rid of it for the moment (after all it doesn't apply within this thread enough for significant focus).

I'd say it's even more complex than that, as law so often is.

Quote:You aren't even your own friend in your illness, I don't know why you'd expect anyone else to be.  With that said..it seems to me that the people who would allow you to live your life as you wish to live it..rather than legislate you away just -might- be on your side...Violet.......even if you come across to them as a shitty person for reasons you're completely oblivious to.  

I'm not oblivious to the fact that abject disgust oozes from my every pore. There's a reason I don't have many friends, and that reason is me. Unless there is something else I happen to be missing, in which case by all means I would like to hear it (so that I can better understand myself, and potentially rectify the perceived reasons for my shitty personhood that I'm as-of-yet unaware of).

I'm content enough to do what I can for myself with my own money... whether other people are 'on my side' in their minds or in mine: it has little bearing on my decision to pay for my own surgery, my own hormones (cannot WAIT to be off of obamacare infact), and my own life. As long as anyone, on my side or not, respects that enough to allow me to make my way: I'm happy enough making it my way.

I certainly don't want people of the 84 alternative genders speaking for me, whether the masses support their lunacy or not.

Quote:Well, if you can't find any, but are capable of recognizing bias...as you seem to be claiming above, I'm not sure why the presence of bias would be a problem in the first place, whatever it is you mean by bias?

Because I despise lies delivered to my doorstep. It's a problem because I have two sets of news that are peddling me lies, and therefore there is no way to find the truth of many matters, as recognizing which portions are or are not lies is an ever-evolving art. The closest I can get is to hear from the horse's mouth (such as trump's tweets, or any major group publicly doing something and me catching just the raw data (such as wikileaks, and various departmental drivel)). In a world where everyone is lying to me purposely or just misinformed: I have to parse what I can see as true or not.

I need a grounding agent. Social media comments sections are their very own array of unaccountability and misinformation (but they're the only place I seem able to find any proper assessment of the facts and them being challenged). I feel very much trapped in a world where nobody seems interested in just giving me the raw data (just dumping it on me, no opinion pieces, just what's happening with as little editing as possible), and letting me just work out what it may or may not mean.

This place used to be that for me... there was a very wide net of people who believed an incredibly diverse set of things, and cited a vast array of sources that were largely challenged by the commentators here. I remember being able to trust that I had at least a basis on the major happenings of the world... sure, perhaps I was always beset on all sides by hacks (and King Fool for my ear), but my rose coloured goggles remember that place fairly fondly. I've never found a worthy replacement since.

Little gripin there on my part

Quote:Cognitive whittling.

Another beautiful set of words. Watch out, or you may yet upset my #1 all time favorite: sexual dimorphism.

Quote:You referred to a change in the way your moderate friends treated you...and seem to be attributing it to the same laundry list of conservative canards present throughout these posts....but isn't it possible that your moderate friends have suddenly started to treat you differently...because you've been saying the sorts of shit you've said in these posts?  The only common factor in all of your interpersonal relationships is yourself.  

Ah, right. No, I mean became decidedly more conservative is what I mean. I don't get particularly close with very many people I suppose. Friends may be a misnomer, even. Peers is more sensible, acquaintances as well'd be more sensible. Cognitive whittling would be to say by 'friends' I mean 'people in my vicinity and on my facebook' kinda shit.

I don't know that I have anyone I'd call a friend (depends on how we define it), and we'd be talking semantics. I don't get too emotionally close to very many people, I am often an asshole, and I drop out of existence on a whim for stints of time that can last years. It'd probably be hard for someone so unfriendly to the core to have friends.

Quote:Do you, though, do you really...or are -you- the one imposing those attributions...again.  

If my perception was flawed: how would I know? I can't know without asking someone directly whether they've just suddenly become more conservative, or whether they always were and just didn't feel liberated and/or justified by the election to show their real feelings... I'm not sure how to say that without sounding very rude, and I'm not sure how well I can trust another person's self perception of their political views.

The only 'correct' way to argue this that I'm aware of an feel is framed beyond particular approach is, "Based on my understanding of what I believe I have seen and what I believe I have heard, the people I assume I associate with on rare occasions, seem to have drifted somewhat more right wing since about a year ago or so."

But saying that in that manner just makes me a totally twat, so I'm not really just how to win with that question (not to 'win' the argument, to manage to properly represent my thoughts in a way that we'll both find agreeable). It's a fair enough question though: I just don't know how I can answer that. Do I doubt myself, do I doubt my 'friends', or do I doubt nothing and carry on with my day with a slight internal errors review. I choose the third option.

A lot of what I say is belief based or opinion based. If the basis of forming that belief or opinion is compromised too much, then I don't know it... and while my outlook in many ways has darkened over the years: I find myself quite happy everything else considered, which is a significant improvement in my view, and I'm not too keen on going back to irresponsible levels of self-doubt.

Quote:I seem to remember a girl who told me she wasn't faking it, and how painful it was to have to fake it, the impossibility of faking it, the effect on her life and state of mind of faking it.  It;s strange, to me, to see you advocating for the imposition of all of the above on others...and further, arguing that it has some merit because tradition™ and the sensitive feelers of bigots who must be slowly mollycoddled into common human decency.

Oh Christ that's the worst. If you're gonna fake it: fake it good. It's the only way to go. Don't fail at faking it or you'll look like a fucking freak.

We've all gotta grow up someday, Rhythm. I don't believe anyone has to respect anyone who doesn't respect them... but I do believe that there are good ways of going about things, and shit ways of going about things. It's an eternal debate as to which ways are the good ways and which ways are the bad ways... and it all boils down to opinion in the end. That's all it can ever amount to: opinions.

If I want to listen to right wing talking points, I prefer Bella. More offensive fun, less self-loathing.

Violet might as well be a right wing talking point generator .And that would have the merit of actually being entertaining