The real qestion is who guives a flying shit

As long as it takes

(February 17, 2017 at 11:44 pm)Stimbo Wrote: The real qestion is who guives a flying shit

Well the ones who picked the wrong messiah do, but I suspect only so that can have that final pinky promise and french kiss to get the afterlife wristband.

(February 17, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(February 17, 2017 at 10:03 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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When is not the question you should be asking. The question is will I be ready when He does. When Christ returns and if you're still alive it will be the worst day of your life. You will find you can't escape not even if you try and take your life. This is when you will see the power of the God you've tried to mock and I can promise you for those who are not ready it will be a very bad day.

GC

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C'mon, GC....I've got REAL LIFE problems! Do you really think I've got time to worry about made-up shit?
I'm totally confident that there are no invisible folks floating around sky with magical superpowers. And, that dead people don't come back to life after a few millennia. 

hehe... I'll take my chances.

I've got real life problems too, so does everyone else. Christians however do not need to worry about the return of Christ, we actually embrace His second coming. You know what you need to do to take the worry out of Jesus return. I do not believe in magical powers myself but, l do believe in a supreme God who is omnipotent and omniscient who with no trouble can raise the dead bodies from where ever they may be. If you ask me and I know you didn't, your taking chances on eternity is a risky business.

GC

(February 18, 2017 at 1:28 am)Godschild Wrote: If you ask me and I know you didn't, your taking chances on eternity is a risky business.

I actually don't see that much difference in risk levels.  If we're dealing with a god that maintains a place of eternal punishment, I don't think anyone is a position to assess what it's up to and whether or not it can actually be trusted.  There's just something about the concept that's setting off all kinds of alarms.

(February 18, 2017 at 1:35 am)Astreja Wrote:

(February 18, 2017 at 1:28 am)Godschild Wrote: If you ask me and I know you didn't, your taking chances on eternity is a risky business.

I actually don't see that much difference in risk levels.  If we're dealing with a god that maintains a place of eternal punishment, I don't think anyone is a position to assess what it's up to and whether or not it can actually be trusted.  There's just something about the concept that's setting off all kinds of alarms.

God is eternal and any unforgiven sin against Him is eternal, therefore the punishment must be eternal. The sin doesn't go away there is no resolution of the sin leaving no alternative but an eternal punishment. Also, there has to be a balance and eternal life with God is balanced by eternal life without God, to have the one the other must exist.

GC

(February 18, 2017 at 1:28 am)Godschild Wrote:

(February 17, 2017 at 10:53 pm)Thena323 Wrote: C'mon, GC....I've got REAL LIFE problems! Do you really think I've got time to worry about made-up shit?
I'm totally confident that there are no invisible folks floating around sky with magical superpowers. And, that dead people don't come back to life after a few millennia. 

hehe... I'll take my chances.

If you ask me and I know you didn't, your taking chances on eternity is a risky business.

 Nah... Odds are, I'll regret nothing.

If God is eternal, that means he can't die... which must mean he isn't omnipotent because he can't kill himself

(February 18, 2017 at 3:18 am)Godschild Wrote: God is eternal...

Unsupported assertion.  Unless you happen to be both eternal and omniscient, you have no way of verifying that.

Quote: and any unforgiven sin against Him is eternal, therefore the punishment must be eternal.

The onus for forgiving clearly falls upon your god.  If it wants to remain eternally butt-hurt because a mortal didn't actually ask it for forgiveness, it's got issues.  Big, big issues.

Furthermore, in the context of a powerful and eternally-existing being, any act committed by a mortal is both instantaneous and infinitesimal, and theoretically too insignificant to to injure the eternal being in any way whatsoever.

Quote: The sin doesn't go away...

It could, if the god merely ignored it.  Are you seriously claiming that your god is so bloody petty that it holds itty-bitty grudges against mortals for eternity and would rather just sit there on its duff the whole time listening to those same mortals screaming in agony?  FFS, that's pathetic.

Quote: there is no resolution of the sin leaving no alternative but an eternal punishment. Also, there has to be a balance and eternal life with God is balanced by eternal life without God, to have the one the other must exist.

No, that is a needless constraint put upon your alleged god by human apologists.  It is a tool they use to enslave mortals like yourself into the worship of an alleged god so irredeemably evil that it should be condemning itself to hell.

Needless to say, if I ever do make it to the mythical Great White Throne I intend to immediately throttle your imaginary fiend with its own pubic hairs, blink it out of existence (as I am not nearly as evil and actually would not torture it for eternity), abolish hell, and release literally everybody without a single exception.

Try seeing things from the big-picture POV of a god and you'll see immediately how insulting the hell myth really is.  It isn't justice; it's something that priests made up to fill the pews and the coffers.  I recognized sometime before my 8th birthday that it was just a mechanism invented to control the populace.

(February 17, 2017 at 7:15 pm)Lek Wrote:

(February 17, 2017 at 6:34 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Good point, but when can we get a Bible that says what it means?  Why does it say this generation instead of that generation?

I know I'm probably giving you guys ammunition, but actually to get the best understanding you would need to learn ancient Greek and then interpret it directly from the language in which it was written.

Why was a Hebrew book written in greek "originally"?