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How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
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 (February 23, 2017 at 2:24 pm)Astreja Wrote:(February 23, 2017 at 1:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: If God exists, he created us for a purpose ... It is if the purpose was to have a relationship with us (which it is). RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 23, 2017 at 4:51 pm
(This post was last modified: February 23, 2017 at 4:52 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
So, bit like a planet full of sex dolls. No thanks, I'll pass. Gods subjective assignment of purpose is too objectively rapey for my tastes.
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 (February 23, 2017 at 4:42 pm)SteveII Wrote:(February 23, 2017 at 2:24 pm)Astreja Wrote: ... which can never be our own purpose. Essentially that would make us just sentient playthings, to be cuddled or banished to the Bad Toys Box. I've heard of making your own friends, but this is some next level shit.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 23, 2017 at 5:55 pm
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(February 23, 2017 at 12:02 pm)SteveII Wrote: Is repeating your assertion supposed to make it better the second time. No, it is a consequence of your refusal to listen the first time. Quote:Did you read through the link where Jesus/Paul used the phrase over and over NOT referring to the second coming? Congratulations, you ctrl+F searched the Bible for the wrong phrase. You completely ignore the bit about the son of man coming. He is referring to himself participating in a future event. Quote:Don't tell me what the Bible means when you can't be bothered to research or even to try your argument from a different direction. I know more about the Bible than you. I have read the Bible and that's why I'm atheist. Go read Numbers 5, Numbers 31, and Judges 19. Tell me all the timeless wisdom you find.
Jesus is like Pinocchio. He's the bastard son of a carpenter. And a liar. And he wishes he was real.
 (February 23, 2017 at 12:02 pm)SteveII Wrote: Gloating seems particularly un-Christlike and would therefore be sinful. Did Kellyanne Conway take over your account? Because you completely dodged that question.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 (February 23, 2017 at 4:42 pm)SteveII Wrote:(February 23, 2017 at 2:24 pm)Astreja Wrote: ... which can never be our own purpose. Essentially that would make us just sentient playthings, to be cuddled or banished to the Bad Toys Box. That's still your hypothetical god's purpose, not ours. I prefer to decide for myself what my purpose is, and modify that purpose as I see fit.  (February 23, 2017 at 1:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: 1. Khem and I are going back and forth in another thread on this. I intend to reply to him tonight, but in general Naturalism teaches that we are the product of time and chance (evolution). That process cannot endow us with intrinsic (defined as belonging naturally, essential) value any more than anything else that evolved. I am not saying that we don't have value, but rather that the value comes from things we can do and not simply because we exist. 1.Thank's for the English lesson Steve. The block of wood you describe was once a tree, alive and serving it's purpose on the planet. I feel (just like the tree) that I have a purpose already, and do not require your God to give me a purpose. 2.I believe humanity would benefit greatly if we ditched all notions of God. I believe we evolved, so again no need for God or his respect.  RE: How long will Christians wait for Jesus?
February 24, 2017 at 7:44 am
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(February 17, 2017 at 4:50 pm)Lek Wrote:(February 17, 2017 at 2:38 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Matthew 24:30-34 says, Why do you think he should be smarter than that? Really why when it is obvious that writer of Matthew didn't even read the book of Isaiah, epsecially Isaiah 7:14: "Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." Jesus was never referred to as Immanuel, especially not in "Matthew". Not to mention mother-to-be is described as almah (maiden), not bethulah (virgin). Name is probably the most noticeable failure of the prophecy stated in "Isaiah" others are: "He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel." "He must rebuild the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem." "He must bring world peace." "He must be a member of the tribe of Judah" So I don't think that writer of Matthew is smarter then he appears but that Christians are very gullible and self deceiving. (February 24, 2017 at 3:53 am)HairyCyclist Wrote:(February 23, 2017 at 1:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: 1. Khem and I are going back and forth in another thread on this. I intend to reply to him tonight, but in general Naturalism teaches that we are the product of time and chance (evolution). That process cannot endow us with intrinsic (defined as belonging naturally, essential) value any more than anything else that evolved. I am not saying that we don't have value, but rather that the value comes from things we can do and not simply because we exist. 1. You will see that defining your terms is important and avoids tangents/confusion. Speaking of which: The definition of purpose: the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. Just as the tree has no purpose, neither does any product of evolution--including man. What does that mean practically speaking? If naturalism is true, we invent purpose. If we invent purpose, it was different in the past and will be different in the future. Some people's purpose is opposed to others (which you can't say is objectively wrong). That does not sit well with many people. 2. Do you have reasons why you believe that ditching religion would be beneficial? |
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