(March 8, 2017 at 5:14 pm)Whateverist Wrote: All I can imagine is that Jehanne must have had some rough times on account of his disbelief to harbor so much hate toward believers.  While I don't identify with that perspective at all, I think it is probably good that someone this disturbed has a place to get shit off his chest and then deal with the feed back he gets.  Maybe it's what he needs?  Anyhow, some atheists have been pretty traumatized by their experience.  I think we can acknowledge that even while making it clear that we don't all feel that way.

Maybe there would be a more humane way for him to channel his heartbreak...

(March 8, 2017 at 5:09 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(March 8, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Jehanne Wrote: In fact, if I had my way, people who believed in God could not hold political office, be on juries, be doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc., etc.  

Just sayin'...That would leave an terrifyingly low number of individuals available to provide many vital and/or highly important services to the world's population. 

So, how would that work? Some sort of lottery system being implemented to determine who receives medical treatment, is allowed due process, etc.? Or, perhaps simply limiting access to those determined to be "thinkers"?

The Devil would certainly be in the details, wouldn't it?

Well, yeah, we're talking a 1,000 or so (hopefully, sooner) years from now when theism is dead.

(March 8, 2017 at 4:36 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(March 8, 2017 at 4:35 pm)Orochi Wrote: Well Thena , CL and Thump seem to think it's click bait I find myself in agreement with them I think Thena sum it up


As for our moderators they might be busy we can't expect them to be omnipresent that would be unfair

Can you explain why you think it is clickbait instead of saying that people think it is? The thread title is a clear news headline and the OP contains a link to a news story about exactly what the thread title says. Doesn't look like clickbait that falls under our rule.

For the record, this thread does happen to fit my definition of click-bait. However, I'm not concerned with how my opinion meshes with AF's rules on the matter. I'm actually of the opinion that the new click-bait rule is petty and pointless, and have never suggested that this thread should be closed or carefully moderated because of it.

(March 8, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(March 8, 2017 at 5:14 pm)Whateverist Wrote: All I can imagine is that Jehanne must have had some rough times on account of his disbelief to harbor so much hate toward believers.  While I don't identify with that perspective at all, I think it is probably good that someone this disturbed has a place to get shit off his chest and then deal with the feed back he gets.  Maybe it's what he needs?  Anyhow, some atheists have been pretty traumatized by their experience.  I think we can acknowledge that even while making it clear that we don't all feel that way.

Maybe there would be a more humane way for him to channel his heartbreak...

Well, you know, I am not out vandalizing churches, sending hate mail, making bomb threats, etc.  I am just on an atheist message board bitching.

(March 8, 2017 at 5:32 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(March 8, 2017 at 4:36 pm)Alex K Wrote: Can you explain why you think it is clickbait instead of saying that people think it is? The thread title is a clear news headline and the OP contains a link to a news story about exactly what the thread title says. Doesn't look like clickbait that falls under our rule.

For the record, this thread does happen to fit my definition of click-bait. However, I'm not concerned with how my opinion meshes with AF's rules on the matter. I'm actually of the opinion that the new click-bait rule is petty and pointless, and have never suggested that this thread should be closed or carefully moderated because of it.

Noted

(March 8, 2017 at 5:23 pm)Orochi Wrote:

Quote:[url=https://atheistforums.org/post-1522098.html#pid1522098][/url]In fact, if I had my way, people who believed in God could not hold political office, be on juries, be doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc., etc.  

I'm all for lessening religions influence on society. But this would be discrimination on a scale never seen in the free world . It would make the mistreatment of Gays and Trans people seem miniscule by comparison

When theism is dead someday, it would be no different than discriminating against white supremacists, neo-Nazis, etc.  Every society, for itself, decides who and who is not a protected class.  No one has a right to be on a jury, be a doctor, be a teacher, etc.

(March 8, 2017 at 5:32 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(March 8, 2017 at 4:36 pm)Alex K Wrote: Can you explain why you think it is clickbait instead of saying that people think it is? The thread title is a clear news headline and the OP contains a link to a news story about exactly what the thread title says. Doesn't look like clickbait that falls under our rule.

For the record, this thread does happen to fit my definition of click-bait. However, I'm not concerned with how my opinion meshes with AF's rules on the matter. I'm actually of the opinion that the new click-bait rule is petty and pointless, and have never suggested that this thread should be closed or carefully moderated because of it.

To you last point nor did I . I was just asking if it broke the rules . And yes I agree with your definition

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(March 8, 2017 at 5:36 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 8, 2017 at 5:23 pm)Orochi Wrote: I'm all for lessening religions influence on society. But this would be discrimination on a scale never seen in the free world . It would make the mistreatment of Gays and Trans people seem miniscule by comparison

When theism is dead someday, it would be no different than discriminating against white supremacists, neo-Nazis, etc.  Every society, for itself, decides who and who is not a protected class.  No one has a right to be on a jury, be a doctor, be a teacher, etc.

So Gays and Trans people should be denied certain jobs ? Would doing so not be discrimination ..And no I think Theism is quite different then the listed above groups

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(March 8, 2017 at 5:36 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(March 8, 2017 at 5:23 pm)Orochi Wrote: I'm all for lessening religions influence on society. But this would be discrimination on a scale never seen in the free world . It would make the mistreatment of Gays and Trans people seem miniscule by comparison

When theism is dead someday, it would be no different than discriminating against white supremacists, neo-Nazis, etc.  Every society, for itself, decides who and who is not a protected class.  No one has a right to be on a jury, be a doctor, be a teacher, etc.

So Gays and Trans people should be denied certain jobs ? Would doing so not be discrimination ..And no I think Theism is quite different then the listed above groups

(March 8, 2017 at 5:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(March 8, 2017 at 4:32 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: The difference between the media mentioning their religion and YOU is that they didn't take it and run batcrap crazy with it like you did. You have made all sorts of generalizations and have leveled accusations at religious people for. no. reason.

Sometimes you need to learn to let shit go. Not every person who is religious is bad, stupid, ignorant or an asshole. Quit lumping religious persons in the same category. This shit is getting old and honestly, being a logical person, you should know better.

Jehanne is the one who posted this article specifically because the family was Catholic, and made it a headline in his thread title. He did so to take this story as an opportunity to say "Look at these Catholic people, they are so stupid. Being religious makes you stupid, and these Catholic people were SO stupid that they had a wood stove and died in a house fire. See? Religious people are dumb!"

Based upon my OP, you have absolutely no right to make the inferences that you made, and having said that, what you are claiming is not at all accurate.  It is a mere caricature of the position and/or points that I was making, and a false one at that, the perfect type of distortion that Donald Trump is so very good at.  As I posted earlier, here is the SLPC hate map of the US:

https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

Now, if you actually take the time, you'll see that there are a number of Catholic groups (especially, those on the East Coast) that have made the list.  And, so, no, absolutely, positively not, I do not, and do not, blame the death of every Catholic as being due to that person's religious faith; absolutely, positively false!  On the other hand, knowing what I do know about the far right religious nut jobs out there (such as these traditional Catholic groups), it is, shall we say, certainly "in character".

By the way, I can point-out other examples, and not just this one particular family, but I am not going to do that.  You can easily find that information online for yourself; you only need to take the time to look!

(March 8, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Jehanne Wrote: And, yes, while I admit that I may have overreacted on this one, I still bet that the Dad there in the video did not have a single smoke alarm in that home, and I wondering what his explanation will be for that one!  And, so, stay tuned!

"I may have overreacted in this thread, but I'm sure I'm right."

That really doesn't add up, asshole. Your glee says more about you than the gist of this post, anyway.

(March 8, 2017 at 5:39 pm)Orochi Wrote:

(March 8, 2017 at 5:32 pm)Thena323 Wrote: For the record, this thread does happen to fit my definition of click-bait. However, I'm not concerned with how my opinion meshes with AF's rules on the matter. I'm actually of the opinion that the new click-bait rule is petty and pointless, and have never suggested that this thread should be closed or carefully moderated because of it.

To you last point nor did I . I was just asking if it broke the rules . And yes I agree with your definition

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(March 8, 2017 at 5:36 pm)Jehanne Wrote: When theism is dead someday, it would be no different than discriminating against white supremacists, neo-Nazis, etc.  Every society, for itself, decides who and who is not a protected class.  No one has a right to be on a jury, be a doctor, be a teacher, etc.

So Gays and Trans people should be denied certain jobs ? Would doing so not be discrimination ..And no I think Theism is quite different then the listed above groups

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(March 8, 2017 at 5:36 pm)Jehanne Wrote: When theism is dead someday, it would be no different than discriminating against white supremacists, neo-Nazis, etc.  Every society, for itself, decides who and who is not a protected class.  No one has a right to be on a jury, be a doctor, be a teacher, etc.

So Gays and Trans people should be denied certain jobs ? Would doing so not be discrimination ..And no I think Theism is quite different then the listed above groups

No, absolutely, positively not!  It's Apples & Oranges.  Someday, when theism is dead, what would you say to a theist who wanted to be a doctor, lawyer, teacher, juror, politician?  Probably what you would say to someone who interviewed with you for a job who said that they believed in fairies and unicorns!

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(March 8, 2017 at 5:43 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(March 8, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Jehanne Wrote: And, yes, while I admit that I may have overreacted on this one, I still bet that the Dad there in the video did not have a single smoke alarm in that home, and I wondering what his explanation will be for that one!  And, so, stay tuned!

"I may have overreacted in this thread, but I'm sure I'm right."

That really doesn't add up, asshole. Your glee says more about you than the gist of this post, anyway.

Fuck you.