I was extremely disappointed in Obama for continuing middle eastern interference. He campaigned partly on closing GITMO and withdrawal of our troops. Neither happened the way he promised. I dislike warmongering from any administration. We are not the world police.

We can help. Send doctors, take in refugees, etc. I also hate to turn our bavks on murdering dictators, but its just a lose lose situation. More people die when we interfere.

But the US does the opposite. Turns away the refugees and bring more war.

If cooler heads do not prevail, this cannot possibly end well. Have we learned nothing?

(April 6, 2017 at 11:45 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: If cooler heads do not prevail, this cannot possibly end well.  Have we learned nothing?

No, no we have not.

I say "we" because the UK will most likely be dragged into this as well.

I'm so glad that I'm not in the military anymore.

(April 6, 2017 at 11:45 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: If cooler heads do not prevail, this cannot possibly end well.  Have we learned nothing?

There do not appear to be any "cooler heads" in this conflict. Not that I can identify anyway.

(April 6, 2017 at 10:28 pm)Crunchy Wrote: Why on earth would Asad have ordered a gas attack now? 
Why on earth would Putin allow Asad to use gas now?

Around 400,000 have been killed so far conventionally and suddenly they decide to kill 100+ civilians with gas?

Ok, even if they absolutely did decide to use gas, does it really matter? Let's say we suddenly find out it wasn't gas after all. Is our position "Sorry, we thought you had done something wrong when you killed those kids. Carry on."

Too bad the WLB didn't give a fuck about these civilians in Mosul.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/m...-civilians

Quote:Mosul residents were told not to flee before airstrikes that killed civilians

Quote:Residents in Mosul were instructed not to leave their homes ahead of airstrikes last week that are reported to have killed more than 150 civilians, Amnesty International has said.
The recent spike in civilian casualties suggests the US-led coalition in Iraq is not taking adequate precautions to prevent civilian deaths as it battles Isis alongside Iraqi ground forces, according to a report by the human rights group on Tuesday.
The coalition has acknowledged that the US military was behind an airstrike on 17 March that hit a western Mosul neighbourhood. Residents have said at least 150 civilians were killed. US officials have not confirmed that there were civilian casualties but have opened an investigation.

(April 6, 2017 at 11:31 pm)Aroura Wrote: I was extremely disappointed in Obama for continuing middle eastern interference.  He campaigned partly on closing GITMO and withdrawal of our troops. Neither happened the way he promised. I dislike warmongering from any administration. We are not the world police.

We can help. Send doctors, take in refugees, etc. I also hate to turn our bavks on murdering dictators, but its just a lose lose situation. More people die when we interfere.

But the US does the opposite. Turns away the refugees and bring more war.

at this point i should say we should have left we don't belong in the middle east we should leave it because in reality the middle east currently is a lost cause 
and no amount of military action will fix it and they should fix their problems on their own same goes to Israel honestly we give them money for defense and 
free military hardware they should be fine.

Fucking shit.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/syrian-m...-abc-news/

Quote:Syrian military knew the US raid was coming and evacuated personnel and equipment: ABC News

Quote:Sec. of State Rex Tillerson revealed late Thursday that the U.S. warned Russia that they would be bombing the airfield in Homs, Syria since there was Russian military in the vicinity.
ABC News reported early Friday that the Syrian military seemed to know that something might happen. Eyewitnesses claim the military then evacuated personnel and moved equipment before the strike took place.

Quote:The United States dropped 59 Tomahawk missiles on the Shayrat airbase at approximately 8:40 p.m. EST.

59 Tomahawks at $1.4 million per missile = $82.6 million dollars.... to essentially make them move their planes.  The WLB is one shrewd businessman, I tell you.

(April 7, 2017 at 1:56 am)Minimalist Wrote: Fucking shit.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/syrian-m...-abc-news/

Quote:Syrian military knew the US raid was coming and evacuated personnel and equipment: ABC News

Quote:Sec. of State Rex Tillerson revealed late Thursday that the U.S. warned Russia that they would be bombing the airfield in Homs, Syria since there was Russian military in the vicinity.
ABC News reported early Friday that the Syrian military seemed to know that something might happen. Eyewitnesses claim the military then evacuated personnel and moved equipment before the strike took place.

Quote:The United States dropped 59 Tomahawk missiles on the Shayrat airbase at approximately 8:40 p.m. EST.

59 Tomahawks at $1.4 million per missile = $82.6 million dollars.... to essentially make them move their planes.  The WLB is one shrewd businessman, I tell you.

He didn't spend a single cent of his somewhat debatable billions.

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(April 6, 2017 at 11:45 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: If cooler heads do not prevail, this cannot possibly end well.  Have we learned nothing?

Heads.....as in container for actual brain cells....in...trump White House....

(April 6, 2017 at 9:40 pm)A Theist Wrote: Watching the news on television. The United States has just launched targeted Tomahawk missile strikes against some military sites inside Syria in response to Assad's Sarin gas attack on his own people. Seems that Putin may not have been notified since Russians mans some of Syria's missile systems. News is still breaking.  Couldn't  get a link posted from this phone.

Twas one target, Russia was notified so any serious Assad materiel would have been moved. There was no strategy, just Drumpfuck throwing miseiles around in the hopes of shoring up his numbers and ditracting people from the fact that he's committing treason on a daily basis.

The worrying thing is that there are Dems around who haven't learned from Iraq and are willing to support him in his illegal and immoral military action.

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(April 6, 2017 at 9:47 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I wonder what the 'goal' is ??   Or if the attack has even been thought out that far ??

I can rule out right now regime change is the goal.

Trying to shore up Drumpf's numbers by painting him as a "war president" (he is neither) in order to prevent regime change.

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(April 6, 2017 at 10:28 pm)Crunchy Wrote: Why on earth would Asad have ordered a gas attack now? 
Why on earth would Putin allow Asad to use gas now?

Around 400,000 have been killed so far conventionally and suddenly they decide to kill 100+ civilians with gas?

Ok, even if they absolutely did decide to use gas, does it really matter? Let's say we suddenly find out it wasn't gas after all. Is our position "Sorry, we thought you had done something wrong when you killed those kids. Carry on."

To destroy any future base for rebellion by killing off the people in rebel held rovinces and towns. It's a favourie Assad tactic, and has been effective in the past. In 1982 the Muslim Brotherhood tried to stage an uprising in the city of Hama. After it was put down a significant portion of the population was murdered. The result is that Hama is currently one of the most pro-Assad areas in the country.