(April 8, 2017 at 10:20 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(April 8, 2017 at 9:57 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Your claim is that you are on reason and logic, like every other religion claims.

Note I also said "evidence". Does every other religion make the claim it is based on evidence? Evidence matters as well.

Every religion as far I know says there are ways to know it is true.  They say the truth of the pudding is in the pudding, something like that. I don't really buy that approach necessarily nor dismiss it.  I am not aware of any religion that emphasize it has clear evidence in forms of miracles like Islam.

But to present those miracles, you will need patience.  A lot of is lost in the translation but some level of it is still there is things are properly understood and translated mostly correctly.

Aside from that is Quran as far as I am aware of has clear arguments for God's plan and structure of his religion. I wanted to discuss these before, but a thread on Salah got cut. For example, if the wisdom of all it's main foundations can be proven, then this is a major thing.

Other things like minor rules or details, of course, will take time of unveiling.

As far as I know Quran emphasizes that it's necessary to bring our proof if we are claiming something is from God.   And it literally says "bring your proof if you are truthful".

If you are interested in the proofs I came to, then let me know. If not, can't force you to eat food you don't like.

Quote:Your claim is that you are on reason and logic, like every other religion claims.

Claiming that one has logic and reason on there side . Is not I religious claim .even if the religious claim it .

Quote:I post threads to show proofs of my claims and you guys get upset if I show the strength of conviction in them.

Nope you post crap and get angry when we call it crap and you keep repeating the crap

Quote:If people are silent, you say, they have no proofs or they would present them.

You have no proof one way or the other

Quote:And if they are presented, they are dismissed even if they should not be

Crap is presented and crap is rejected your opinion on if it should be is meaningless

Quote:How about this? Go the backward approach like the thread I showed. Go "If God is real, and we are connected to him by his name, how can we unveil his name and recognize his religion?".... You will say there is all sorts of interpretations of each religion. So I will show you a way to distinguish false claims from right ones

Nope how about we start with you proving your claim

Quote:Let us open a thread about going backward approach and actually applying it, I made a thread about it in theory, we can go this backward approach... work like Science assume a hypothesis just for the sake of gathering evidence, and then try to disprove it

Nope god is not a scientific hypothesis nor anything like one so no we will  not assume it  as such

Quote:You can't begin to truly know a religion unless you know who truly understands it and represents it and believes in it all together as it's meant to. Otherwise, like Atheists always point out, you get into a mess....

Yes I'm sure you have it all figured out

Quote:So let's find out who represents Islam out of all those claiming to represent it and all leaders claiming to teach it

And that will happen via ?

Quote:It will be fun, and you have nothing to lose, but gaining a way to distinguish falsehood from a truth in a certain paradigm

No how about we don't and you actually demonstrate you claim rather then have us play house

Quote:You may not find the truth unless you enter many doors at once, perhaps, God is not truly knowable without recognize his leader and guide, and that is not knowable unless we recognize who we truly are.

Mystic woo

Quote:If you want my help in this journey let me know. I know I haven't been doing a good job and been lousy, but I am trying my best, is all I can say.

Nope I think I'll  stay in weather in religious nut bar land seems crappy

(April 8, 2017 at 9:57 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I post threads to show proofs of my claims and you guys get upset if I show the strength of conviction in them.

I don't give a flying fuck about your "strength of conviction."
I care passionately about the fact that you regularly tell lies about us.  If that's what your religion has made you into -- an arrogant liar -- your religion is worthless.
You have nothing to teach any of us.

The real arrogance is feeling too proud to worship God.

(April 9, 2017 at 11:45 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The real arrogance is feeling too proud to worship God.

The kind of God I would consider to be God would see no need to be worshiped. Narcissists demand that people worship them. Is your God a narcissist?

And I think she's right. You have nothing insightful to teach us here. You're just being a nuisance, sorry to say.

(April 9, 2017 at 12:10 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(April 9, 2017 at 11:45 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The real arrogance is feeling too proud to worship God.

The kind of God I would consider to be God would see no need to be worshiped. Narcissists demand that people worship them. Is your God a narcissist?

And I think she's right. You have nothing insightful to teach us here. You're just being a nuisance, sorry to say.

God sees no need for people to worship him for himself, there is no loss if we don't worship him to him, and no benefit if we worship him to him, the benefit is for us.

Do you fall in love with someone before? Isn't that a great feeling. Well God unites all treasures in everyone in perfect oneness and perfect balance, and falling in love with the most perfect being will do wonders more than falling in love with people who change for better or worse, who commitment to us can be broken any time, and even if they changed only for better, they can die and be taken away from us, and so God knowing how much we are in need of love would connect us to him by a perfect connecting link at all times (known as the witness/leader/guide/face of God/name of God).

Connecting us to him and having a guiding witness who can perfect our manners and talents, and knows the secret of our talents better then ourselves, is a great favor.

The honor one get's from being helped by the Guide and Witness of time, and the beautiful love relationship gained in that, is a huge favor.

I take it you believe in love to the say least...... The greatest being the Creator in his wisdom has made all creation bound to him and glorify him through his link that connects them to the Unseen Glory and beauty of God be it a far scent or be it bright like the sun in the midday.

Why would it be greater for God to disconnect himself from us and not bound us to love hi,m why would it be greater to make us ignorant of the great treasure in existence and not value him as he ought to be valued?

(April 9, 2017 at 11:45 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The real arrogance is feeling too proud to worship God.

You grow grab bombs and make the children of your homeland the victyms of your delusion you dumb fuck. Your pedophile of a prophet and goat fucker age god will not stand before human emphaty

Look were your religion thrives. All that there is, nothing but war and suffering.

The greatness of your god is measured by the volume of the couple of brain cells barely struggling for life within your brain. about 1 cubic micron.

Explain to me how your people, yes, YOUR CORRELIGIONISTS, bomb, kill, and murder their own people, their homeland, just to make your faith known.

Known but not true. Your god is such the pussy that he needs seriously deranged fucks like you, to transmit its incoherent message haha.

Yep, you are fucked beyond all reason, not because the belief you have in your vaunted god, but because of what you conclude about others for not believing said fantasy.

Arrogance comes from you that claims to be in touch with a supreme being, but unable to accept skepticism on your word salad. It is what it is. Fancy words might get to the already reeled in, but to us, You made zero sense so far.

In fact, it needs some effort to try to understant what the crap you are talking about, even then no erudite person can understant.

It makes me sad to see what you have become. You used to be muslim and a nice guy, noiw you are just as fucked up as them jihadists. so yeah, fucking sad and there is nothing I can do about it.

It is those stone age myths that have made your people barbaric. to the point of murdering good peace abiding muslims. like I see on TV, children gassed, injured, washed away into european shores

I am a father, it greatly pains me to see that. But to you is all about gods, that fantasia in your mind. Instead of trying to teach your fellow muslims, the so called religion of peace, you are trying to hit atheists, that to the best of my knowledge, have no gods to excuse for violent behaviour.

So please think about it and go fuck yourself for the prejudice you hold against me. Such a man you are. I know western women that would whoop your sorry ass and with reason, you limp dicked fuck.

^I hit a soft spot did I?

(April 9, 2017 at 11:45 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The real arrogance is feeling too proud to worship God.

What if somebody does not worship any god because that is honestly how he or she chooses to think?  Is it arrogant if people sincerely wish to think for themselves and choose their own path?  With all due respect to your beliefs, given the existence of people who do not think in a theistic/religious manner, then how can the teachings and messages of any religion have any meaning or value to them?  Must all people think alike in order to find truth and meaning in life, or can truth and meaning also be found via diversity of thought?

(April 9, 2017 at 12:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 9, 2017 at 12:10 pm)Grandizer Wrote: The kind of God I would consider to be God would see no need to be worshiped. Narcissists demand that people worship them. Is your God a narcissist?

And I think she's right. You have nothing insightful to teach us here. You're just being a nuisance, sorry to say.

God sees no need for people to worship him for himself, there is no loss if we don't worship him to him, and no benefit if we worship him to him, the benefit is for us.

Do you fall in love with someone before? Isn't that a great feeling. Well God unites all treasures in everyone in perfect oneness and perfect balance, and falling in love with the most perfect being will do wonders more than falling in love with people who change for better or worse, who commitment to us can be broken any time, and even if they changed only for better, they can die and be taken away from us, and so God knowing how much we are in need of love would connect us to him by a perfect connecting link at all times (known as the witness/leader/guide/face of God/name of God).

You've got things exactly backwards. Love is caring even for better or worse. For those whose commitments can be broken. For those who will fail us. And still caring. Love is attachment even though they will die and be taken away from us. You treasure perfection and consistency. That isn't love. That is the view of a child who is afraid to be vulnerable. You feel that loving someone who can't betray you will shield you from pain. You worship the changeless because you are afraid to feel. You don't love God, Mk, you love the unchanging. You are in love with death. You have a child's view of things, with your talk of swords of honor and dark forces. This is the world of someone immature, who hasn't grown into love. Someday you will see that it is change and imperfection which give life meaning. Or maybe you will just die, forever having been enamored with this fantasy of a perfect and unchanging lover. Your God is nothing more than a reflection of your fear of losing control. How perfect would the world be if we were always in control? Well you imagine that such is possible, and you personify it as God. It's a vain hope, engaged by people who are afraid and who are afraid of their fear. That you can control things is an illusion. And someday, the world will take away something you value greatly, and you will see how impotent this belief in your God is.

(April 9, 2017 at 12:20 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Connecting us to him and having a guiding witness who can perfect our manners and talents, and knows the secret of our talents better then ourselves, is a great favor.

The honor one get's from being helped by the Guide and Witness of time, and the beautiful love relationship gained in that, is a huge favor.

More wishful thinking of a child. Pile wishes in one hand and shit in the other, see which piles up first.