(April 20, 2017 at 10:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Not with itself only. 

It's a guide to God, this verse for example:

Um.  In your opinion which, TBH, is fucking worthless.

Min: about as subtle as a panzer division through the Ardenne!

(April 20, 2017 at 5:31 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

+I : I believe in the Quran only. I take whatever is inside the book, and neglect whatever is outside. I use evidence from inside the book itself.

But what if some or all of what's in the book is wrong, (in error, untrue, misguided etc.), and whatever is outside of it has some truths, which contradict the beliefs and conclusions of the book? How will one know, if one won't even consider the possibility ? ? ?

(April 20, 2017 at 11:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(April 20, 2017 at 10:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Um.  In your opinion which, TBH, is fucking worthless.

Min: about as subtle as a panzer division through the Ardenne!

(April 20, 2017 at 11:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(April 20, 2017 at 10:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Um.  In your opinion which, TBH, is fucking worthless.

Min: about as subtle as a panzer division through the Ardenne!

Thanks for reminding me, hon.

(April 20, 2017 at 11:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(April 20, 2017 at 10:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Um.  In your opinion which, TBH, is fucking worthless.

Min: about as subtle as a panzer division through the Ardenne!

It's always this problem with the comments, sometimes they get deleted and the post comes just empty. So I had to remember what I wrote,
Okay that was for min, sorry for looking.. I wrote something about panzers not being good for deserts; El Alamein and stuff, German defeat.

So ignore me this time; please.

Magilla

Quote:But what if some or all of what's in the book is wrong, (in error, untrue, misguided etc.), and whatever is outside of it has some truths, which contradict the beliefs and conclusions of the book? How will one know, if one won't even consider the possibility ? ? ?

If there's a wrong verse, I'll disbelieve. Believing a lie is something bad.

(April 20, 2017 at 9:57 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(April 20, 2017 at 6:04 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: IIRC, there are copies of the Quran older than the Prophet Mohammed's time, so we don't even have that, perhaps.

There is no more evidence for any fucking prophet than there is for jesus, moses or quetzlcoatl.  Just mythology which can be set at any time.

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Quote:It makes sense when it's read; it's consistent to utter levels.

So.... the book agrees with itself?  So does Gone With The Wind.  It's still a fucking novel.

Funny how their own paper trail has indicted the Mormons, the Christians and the Muslims. 

It's almost like all religions operate from the same flawed play book.

(April 21, 2017 at 8:48 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:

(April 20, 2017 at 9:57 pm)Minimalist Wrote: There is no more evidence for any fucking prophet than there is for jesus, moses or quetzlcoatl.  Just mythology which can be set at any time.

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So.... the book agrees with itself?  So does Gone With The Wind.  It's still a fucking novel.

Funny how their own paper trail has indicted the Mormons, the Christians and the Muslims. 

It's almost like all religions operate from the same flawed play book.

All do originate from the same source.

It's not necessary that all religions came from the sick need of some to copy others.

(April 22, 2017 at 2:31 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's not necessary that all religions came from the sick need of some to copy others.

All that is sufficient is to make bullshit as you go?

Moar logic, he NEEDS.

Is religion needed for humans?

(April 22, 2017 at 4:10 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(April 22, 2017 at 2:31 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's not necessary that all religions came from the sick need of some to copy others.

All that is sufficient is to make bullshit as you go?

Moar logic, he NEEDS.

No. This is not bullshit.

Life is a road that starts with birth, ends with death.
Bullshit is choosing the wrong path and keep on fighting for it; creating a chaos in the way.

When bullshit collide with bullshit, everybody dies.

Religion is not needed for man. But Islam and the Quran are needed for man. They prevent bullshit storms from hitting the carrier of the faith.
Bullshit is lying; using cheap missionary tricks to convert masses, use charity money to win the hearts of the poor, manipulate emotions to override proof.

It can be seen in religious speeches by the Pope, or by Ayatollah, or by Mufti Al Azhar. Also it can be seen in movies.
That's bullshit.