(May 8, 2017 at 2:21 pm)alpha male Wrote: Yes, faiths include unfalsifiable beliefs, and scholars disagree on the Bible. Those are underwhelming points.

Correct.  It is designed so that idiots can feel good about being idiots.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamin...ot-likely/

Quote:Who would imagine that a supernatural claim written two thousand years ago would be compelling when we wouldn’t find it compelling if written two minutes ago?

Only the religitards.

(May 8, 2017 at 3:18 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Here's the problems with this statement.

Allegedly there is this god that wants to have a relationship with me. Yet, he created me with a mind that is unable to accept claims without those claims meeting their burden of proof, which include being falsifiable.

If you desire to follow him, he can work with you on the belief.  

Quote:It also seems that this god, in his attempt to communicate what is the 'most important message ever', would want to assure that it would be communicated in such a way as not to be opened to interpretation, translation errors, copy errors, contradiction, etc.

The Bible itself addresses this. There's value in the searching itself. In some cases it's also a matter of judgment. But again, God works with those who desire to follow him.

Also note that God gives over some people to their rejection during their lifetime. He isn't striving with every person up to the moment they die.

(May 9, 2017 at 6:27 am)alpha male Wrote:

(May 8, 2017 at 3:18 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Here's the problems with this statement.

Allegedly there is this god that wants to have a relationship with me. Yet, he created me with a mind that is unable to accept claims without those claims meeting their burden of proof, which include being falsifiable.

If you desire to follow him, he can work with you on the belief.  

Quote:It also seems that this god, in his attempt to communicate what is the 'most important message ever', would want to assure that it would be communicated in such a way as not to be opened to interpretation, translation errors, copy errors, contradiction, etc.

The Bible itself addresses this. There's value in the searching itself. In some cases it's also a matter of judgment. But again, God works with those who desire to follow him.

Also note that God gives over some people to their rejection during their lifetime. He isn't striving with every person up to the moment they die.

Searching for excuses to cling to a position is not quality control, it is simply looking for excuses to feel good about things you have no evidence for.

7 billion humans, please tell us the logic in an all powerful perfect being wanting or needing 7 billion friends. I can count on one hand the people who love me.

(May 8, 2017 at 3:20 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(May 8, 2017 at 2:21 pm)alpha male Wrote: Yes, faiths include unfalsifiable beliefs, and scholars disagree on the Bible. Those are underwhelming points.

Maybe for you, but certainly not for me.  It's why I think that faith = bullshit is a true statement.

If you applied that consistently in all areas of your life, you might have something. But you don't. No one does. People require much less evidence for things they want to accept, than for things they don't want to accept.

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(May 8, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 8, 2017 at 2:21 pm)alpha male Wrote: Yes, faiths include unfalsifiable beliefs, and scholars disagree on the Bible. Those are underwhelming points.

Correct.  It is designed so that idiots can feel good about being idiots.

I of course disagree on your spin, but there is an element of truth there.

1 Cor 1
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

(May 9, 2017 at 6:34 am)alpha male Wrote:

(May 8, 2017 at 3:20 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Maybe for you, but certainly not for me.  It's why I think that faith = bullshit is a true statement.

If you applied that consistently in all areas of your life, you might have something. But you don't. No one does. People require much less evidence for things they want to accept, than for things they don't want to accept.

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"Does she love me, does she not".  I have deceived and even lied to myself on many occasions on that one, only to be disappointed when the latter truth became self-evident, but in each and every case, the truth became known!!  I agree with Hume that "no miracles now implies no miracles then".

(May 9, 2017 at 6:34 am)alpha male Wrote: If you applied that consistently in all areas of your life, you might have something. But you don't. No one does. People require much less evidence for things they want to accept, than for things they don't want to accept.

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Exactly.  Believers want to believe.  I think most just believe in believing.  And, since you want to believe, you're willing to sweep aside anything that might change that belief.

(May 9, 2017 at 7:57 am)Jehanne Wrote: "Does she love me, does she not".  I have deceived and even lied to myself on many occasions on that one, only to be disappointed when the latter truth became self-evident, but in each and every case, the truth became known!!  I agree with Hume that "no miracles now implies no miracles then".

Miracles are necessarily rare.

(May 9, 2017 at 10:41 am)alpha male Wrote:

(May 9, 2017 at 7:57 am)Jehanne Wrote: "Does she love me, does she not".  I have deceived and even lied to myself on many occasions on that one, only to be disappointed when the latter truth became self-evident, but in each and every case, the truth became known!!  I agree with Hume that "no miracles now implies no miracles then".

Miracles are necessarily rare.

Which is just another way of saying that there aren't any.

(May 9, 2017 at 10:41 am)alpha male Wrote:

(May 9, 2017 at 7:57 am)Jehanne Wrote: "Does she love me, does she not".  I have deceived and even lied to myself on many occasions on that one, only to be disappointed when the latter truth became self-evident, but in each and every case, the truth became known!!  I agree with Hume that "no miracles now implies no miracles then".

Miracles are necessarily rare.

Miracles are fiction.

By definition they go against the way the universe works. there has never been one verifiable example of that actually happening. The church bend the definition of miracle to breaking point to churn out saints.