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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 11:37 pm
(June 1, 2017 at 11:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 6:58 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That might be a strong indicator that you don't know either the science, the religion, or both that you've mashed together, RR.
OFC you have no difficulty, but is that because you're doing it right, or because you don't even know what you;re supposed to be doing right?
:pitches a horseshoe in the opposite direction of the pin, yelling "fouuuuuur", scores it as a home run..... and say's:
"I don't know what all the fuss is about. Olympic rowing is easy!"
I might feel the same about you...but what matters is when you get down to specifics rather than vague accusations. I'm happy to discuss either.
Come on now. Got to give him some props here. That's some pretty funny shit.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 1, 2017 at 11:45 pm
(June 1, 2017 at 11:37 pm)Whateverist Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 11:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I might feel the same about you...but what matters is when you get down to specifics rather than vague accusations. I'm happy to discuss either.
Come on now. Got to give him some props here. That's some pretty funny shit.
Yes...funny straw clown!
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 2, 2017 at 12:41 am
(June 1, 2017 at 4:17 pm)Lek Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 4:06 pm)Hammy Wrote: Both of those statements are false.
And humans did originate in Africa.
And the continents are not unmovable. You're forgetting plate tectonics and continental drift.
That's exactly what I'm trying to point out. They were accepted science at one time not too long ago.
Science corrects on the basis of new information. Religion never corrects itself. That's its biggest problem.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 2, 2017 at 12:57 am
They not only can - they do.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 2, 2017 at 4:38 am
(June 1, 2017 at 6:40 pm)Lek Wrote: What are some tenets of the christian faith that would contradict science?
All right... all right...! But apart from the dragons, rib people, demons, magical resurrections, ghosts, walking on water, water into wine, magically healing cripples and lepers, turning two fish into five loaves; What are some tenets of the Christian faith that would contradict science?
Well there's transubstantiation! Transubstantiation? Shut up!
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 2, 2017 at 5:58 am
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(June 2, 2017 at 4:38 am)Succubus Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 6:40 pm)Lek Wrote: What are some tenets of the christian faith that would contradict science?
All right... all right...! But apart from the dragons, rib people, demons, magical resurrections, ghosts, walking on water, water into wine, magically healing cripples and lepers, turning two fish into five loaves; What are some tenets of the Christian faith that would contradict science?
Well there's transubstantiation! Transubstantiation? Shut up!
Not being able to explain it, does not a contradiction make.
Perhaps you should be more specific.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 2, 2017 at 6:44 am
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Well if science and religion can exist together why do Christians in US (and other places) perpetually want to abolish teaching evolution in school? (and in some Muslim countries they do it)
When it comes to modern scientists who publicly avow their faith like Francis Collins or Indian scientists who, before they launch spacecraft, visit Hindu temples to ask their deities for blessings does not show that science is compatible with religion. That says nothing about whether those views, or the methodologies they employ, are consistent or agreeable. This is rather a confusion of coexistence with compatibility.
And if religion and science are compatible in this way, so are marriage and adultery. After all, many married people are unrepentant adulterers. Astrology and science also become compatible, because many science friendly people still consult their horoscopes. Indeed, because some scientists believe that the Earth is less than ten thousand years old, and that God created all species simultaneously, we might even say that science and creationism are compatible! We all know people who hold incompatible views, whether or not that causes them distress.
I think Robert Green Ingersoll said it best:
There is no harmony between religion and science. When science was a child, religion sought to strangle it in the cradle. Now that science has attained its youth, and superstition is in its dotage, the trembling, palsied wreck says to the athlete: “Let us be friends.” It reminds me of the bargain the cock wished to make with the horse: “Let us agree not to step on each other’s feet.”
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 2, 2017 at 7:51 am
(June 1, 2017 at 7:03 pm)Lek Wrote: (June 1, 2017 at 6:54 pm)Aegon Wrote: Jesus supposedly walked on water, transformed water into wine, magically healed cripples and lepers, and rose from the dead. If I recall correctly it is a crucial crux of Christianity to believe that stuff happened.
It'd be easy to explain how much of the Old Testament contradicts science, but I'm sure you're aware of that and I'm sure I'd get a "Christians don't follow the OT" response
Science says it's impossible for a person to do these things, but God is a supernatural being and is not subject to natural law. Science has no way to prove whether or not God exists since it only can investigate the natural world. Since Jesus is God in the flesh I'm not rejecting any science to believe that he did these things. In that regard, today people are healed from terminal diseases and science has no explanation for how these healings occurred.
It's easy for science and religion to co-exist when all you have to do is chuck science in the bin at the first sign of its contradicting religion.
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 2, 2017 at 8:48 am
(June 2, 2017 at 5:58 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (June 2, 2017 at 4:38 am)Succubus Wrote: All right... all right...! But apart from the dragons, rib people, demons, magical resurrections, ghosts, walking on water, water into wine, magically healing cripples and lepers, turning two fish into five loaves; What are some tenets of the Christian faith that would contradict science?
Well there's transubstantiation! Transubstantiation? Shut up!
Not being able to explain it, does not a contradiction make.
Perhaps you should be more specific. What on earth are you talking about..not being able to explain it? The church explains it specifically. The eucharist elements..literally - not metaphorically or symbolically... literally...turn into the blood and body of christ after a cantrip is uttered over it.
Science says: "lolno, still a cracker."
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RE: Do you think Science and Religion can co-exist in a society?
June 2, 2017 at 8:49 am
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