(June 21, 2017 at 7:15 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(June 21, 2017 at 7:00 pm)wallym Wrote: Do you think Bill Clinton was like Hitler, in that he took a subset of actions that Hitler also took, which is enough to disqualify him for POTUS?

Didn't we just discuss this two posts ago, less?  "He did it too!" means jack shit to me, and doesn't discredit or diminish any comparison between trump and hitler.  I know, you hope that I have motives from my being a dirty liberal clinton hippie and all that..but I'm just not.  If you want to make the "ways in which clinton pulled facist shit" thread do so, I'll contribute.

Next.

I think it goes to the seriousness of your accusation.  You are saying I'm playing chicken with holocaust 2.0 because I voted for someone 'just like Hitler.'  That having parallels in rhetoric/actions taken by Hitler disqualifies a person to be POTUS.  

Did you vote for Hillary "Superpredator" "Disqualified from being POTUS" "Just like Hitler" "Holocaust 2.0" Clinton?  

Are you in the right because you voted for someone a little less like Hitler than I did?  Is that your moral high ground?

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I think I won, right? Whateverist, how'm I doing?!?!? Aside from my asshole behavior, that is!?!!?

Since Wally is such a big fan of fallacy-naming, I suggest he look up "tu quoque".

(June 21, 2017 at 7:23 pm)wallym Wrote:

(June 21, 2017 at 7:15 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Didn't we just discuss this two posts ago, less?  "He did it too!" means jack shit to me, and doesn't discredit or diminish any comparison between trump and hitler.  I know, you hope that I have motives from my being a dirty liberal clinton hippie and all that..but I'm just not.  If you want to make the "ways in which clinton pulled facist shit" thread do so, I'll contribute.

Next.

I think it goes to the seriousness of your accusation.  You are saying I'm playing chicken with holocaust 2.0 because I voted for someone 'just like Hitler.'  That having parallels in rhetoric/actions taken by Hitler disqualifies a person to be POTUS.  

The seriousness of my accusations, now?  Irony thy name is trump voter. I'm sorry, at what point would we be addressing the accuracy of -my- comparison?  Did you wish to dispute the general rule that an appeal to hypocrisy is uninformative? No, and No? Then what on earth could you be responding to, in the response you decided to quote?

You did vote for someone like hitler.  That's your problem, not mine.  Justify it however you like.  We are all playing a collective chicken with that and plenty of other nasty shit as well.  That's -why- it disqualifies someone as potus, imo, in our system.  So that those recurring lesser hobgoblins of our mind don't, yet again, become the law of the land.

Quote:Did you vote for Hillary "Superpredator" "Disqualified from being POTUS" "Just like Hitler" "Holocaust 2.0" Clinton?  

Are you in the right because you voted for someone a little less like Hitler than I did?  Is that your moral high ground?

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OFC not you numbskull..I didn't vote at all......   We're right down to the bottom of it now, aren;t we.  Obviously anyone who criticizes the fuhrer is in league with the enemy.  The Great Satans Themselves.

I can already hear the whistle of the train.

I already told you a few posts back, I'm not coming from any moral high ground. I've made mistakes, worse than voting for hitler, arguably. Consider my voice a voice from your future, lol. I understand. If you want to make a "hillary was a shitty candidate" thread...do so, I'll contribute. I'm willing to bet my contribution will greatly balance out whatever nutter shit you have to say on the subject.

(June 21, 2017 at 7:37 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Since Wally is such a big fan of fallacy-naming, I suggest he look up "tu quoque".

I'll tell you what, don't even worry about the reasonableness of Holocaust 2.0.  I'll settle for khem being a hypocrite.

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Khem:
Fine.  How do you feel about people who voted for Hillary, then?  Do you feel they voted for someone just like Hitler, and are playing chicken with holocaust 2.0?

What would you suggest was the right thing to do in the 2016 election?

(June 21, 2017 at 8:02 pm)wallym Wrote:

(June 21, 2017 at 7:37 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Since Wally is such a big fan of fallacy-naming, I suggest he look up "tu quoque".

I'll tell you what, don't even worry about the reasonableness of Holocaust 2.0.  I'll settle for khem being a hypocrite.

You're welcome to think as you will. I've already seen what a vapid process that is, and so your opinions are definitely discounted here.


ETA: what a shitty post #17000. I need to post less here.

You were willing to be an irrational nitwit, if only you could get that one thing.  That sounds like a fairly accurate description of your trump vote...and in both cases you've been denied.

Are you tired of winning yet?

The proper thing to do if a candidate is unacceptable, is not vote for them.  Wouldn't you agree?  That's what I did.

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Try the search function, btw, if you want to know how I feel about people who voted for hillary.  I was giving them copious shit for it the entire election cycle, lol.

(June 21, 2017 at 8:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You were willing to be an irrational nitwit, if only you could get that one thing.  That sounds like a fairly accurate description of your trump vote...and in both cases you've been denied.

Are you tired of winning yet?

The proper thing to do if a candidate is unacceptable, is not vote for them.  Wouldn't you agree?  That's what I did.

Man, I don't know.  That's a tough ethical question.  

Did you think Hillary was also "like Hitler" and voting for her would make you a collaborator, and you'd be playing chicken with Holocaust 2.0?

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(June 21, 2017 at 8:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You were willing to be an irrational nitwit, if only you could get that one thing.  That sounds like a fairly accurate description of your trump vote...and in both cases you've been denied.

Are you tired of winning yet?

The proper thing to do if a candidate is unacceptable, is not vote for them.  Wouldn't you agree?  That's what I did.

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Try the search function, btw, if you want to know how I feel about people who voted for hillary.  I was giving them copious shit for it the entire election cycle, lol.

Are you kidding me?  So all these dufuses who are defending your argument, are essentially defending an argument that says they are collaborators as well? 

If that's the case, I concede the thread.  Good show sir. God damn internet. What the hell.

(June 21, 2017 at 8:21 pm)wallym Wrote: Man, I don't know.  That's a tough ethical question.  

Not for me.  It's real simple..lemme work you through my thought process.

-Is this candidate acceptable?
No
-Then I wont vote for them.

Quote:Did you think Hillary was also "like Hitler" and voting for her would make you a collaborator, and you'd be playing chicken with Holocaust 2.0?

Nope, my problems with Hillary are almost a mirror opposite of my problems with trump..though there is -some- overlap. I can even articulate them without referring to a certain william. I know, sounds incredible.

 I did, though, think that it made them collaboraters.  I said as much repeatedly.  Not in any holocaust 2.0...since she wasn't calling for that like your boy was, but in the steadily swilring political game that's created the conditions required for a trumpkin to play hitler and -not- be immediately disqualified by the voter base unanimously.

You're never going to get what you want out of this, Wally. I mean that in the broadest sense possible.

(June 21, 2017 at 8:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(June 21, 2017 at 8:21 pm)wallym Wrote: Man, I don't know.  That's a tough ethical question.  

Not for me.  

Quote:Did you think Hillary was also "like Hitler" and voting for her would make you a collaborator, and you'd be playing chicken with Holocaust 2.0?

Nope, my problems with Hillary are almost a mirror opposite of my problems with trump..though there is -some- overlap.  I did, though, think that it made them collaboraters.  I said as much repeatedly.  Not in any holocaust 2.0...since she wasn't calling for that like your boy was, but in the steadily swilring political game that's created the conditions required for a trumpkin to play hitler and -not- be immediately disqualified by the voter base unanimously.

I wasn't speaking for you on ethics, just in general.  Is it selfish or noble to stand for one's principles when their are practical consequences for others.  
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Well, Hillary was all in on the prison thing back in the day with that crime bill and super predator stuff.  And she likes bombing brown people (Libya).  And Bill was the one ratcheted up the border detention centers.  She was against gay marriage  for political purpose in 2008.  They said Barack only won SC because he was black back in '08.  

If you think jails are concentration camps, Hillary helped put a shit load of black people in concentration camps.  And if you think bombing and killing a bunch of muslims unnecessarily like they did in Libya and Iraq and going bonkers with drone strikes is in the ball park of genocide, it'd definitely seem Hitler vs. Hitler'ish.

I feel like maybe we are closer on all this after all.  I wouldn't describe either of them as "Like Hitler" but now that I know you thought she was so bad, you'd rather not vote for her even with Trump as the Repub, than vote for her, I think my voting for Trump could be more understandable, in that I also thought it was really bad vs really bad.

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(June 21, 2017 at 8:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You're never going to get what you want out of this, Wally.  I mean that in the broadest sense possible.

I disagree on that front.

I fucked up assuming that there was an flaw in your logic by assuming you weren't applying the Hitler likeness stuff in a non-partisan way.  That was my mistake. 

I think your conclusions are really paranoid, but it seems to be rooted in something consistent enough to me.

(June 21, 2017 at 8:38 pm)wallym Wrote: I wasn't speaking for you on ethics, just in general.  Is it selfish or noble to stand for one's principles when their are practical consequences for others.  

IDK, but that wasn't really relevant, or at least a relevant difference in my decision.  There were practical consequences for either vote.  I couldn't give my support for them...so I didn't.  Not that it would have mattered in my case. I live in one of those ratfucked districts the republicans love so much..and a state that consistently votes against it's own interests. I could have committed thousands of actual vote frauds and the state was still going trump.

Quote:Well, Hillary was all in on the prison thing back in the day with that crime bill and super predator stuff.  And she likes bombing brown people (Libya).  And Bill was the one ratcheted up the border detention centers.  She was against gay marriage  for political purpose in 2008.  They said Barack only won SC because he was black back in '08.  

The infamous "they" say many things.  Like I said, start the "why I didn't vote for hitlery" thread and I'll contribute..but I see you've already accrued a bill.

Quote:If you think jails are concentration camps, Hillary helped put a shit load of black people in concentration camps.  And if you think bombing and killing a bunch of muslims unnecessarily like they did in Libya and Iraq and going bonkers with drone strikes is in the ball park of genocide, it'd definitely seem Hitler vs. Hitler'ish.

I don't think that jails are concentration camps, I think that concentration camps are concentration camps, like I already told you, nitwit.  Are you bickering with my choice of words rather than addressing the content or it's accuracy?

Notice, if my pasty ass commits a crime..they don;t send me to a concentration camp?  They send me to jail, I get due process, etc.  Meanwhile a brown citizen, under the supposedly weak and in dire need a draconian strengthening immigration laws, can be whisked off to a concentration camp even if they -haven't- committed a crime - and then deported. This isn't a hypothetical. Really roll that around in your mind. What could la migra have stopped a guy like that for -other- than suspicion of being mexican..................ofc, we assume he must have lost his id..and of that;s how that sort of shit happens...but something tells me they'd realize their mistake long before they deported a neck like mine. That's assuming the fuckers didn't let me walk at the point of the stop with a warning, or a minor fine, which they do. I've been pulled over without a license. I didn't end up in cuba for it.

Here again you're mounting the "clinton did it" theory of nazi apologism.  Maybe it might have seemed to make sense to you when you thought I was a hillary voter..but now that you know I'm not........

Quote:I feel like maybe we are closer on all this after all.

We're very definitely as far apart as we could be on this..as these many pages of conversation ought to have made clear.

Quote:I wouldn't describe either of them as "Like Hitler" but now that I know you thought she was so bad, you'd rather not vote for her even with Trump as the Repub, than vote for her, I think my voting for Trump could be more understandable, in that I also thought it was really bad vs really bad.

You wouldn't, because you don't want to be the guy that voted for hitler...but you are.  

What did you think was "really bad" about trump?  Did he continue to deliver on that "really bad"?  Has he delivered anything else?  Mind you, you've cut yourself off from thinking that the hitler shit was "really bad"..because you've been arguing™ that those comparisons are absurd and inaccurate this entire time.  

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Quote:I disagree on that front.

You would. 

Quote:I fucked up assuming that there was an flaw in your logic by assuming you weren't applying the Hitler likeness stuff in a non-partisan way.  That was my mistake. 

That was one mistake of many, apparently.  

Quote:I think your conclusions are really paranoid, but it seems to be rooted in something consistent enough to me.

Neither history nor current events are on your side in that.  I can't imagine what you think would be paranoid in my assessment, since I used real world examples past and present in making it. I wonder how many nazi sympathizers told their resistance neighbors that they were just being paranoid?

(for levity...you'll like this, I posted a screengrab of the whitewalkers army when the "blue wall" fell during the election)