I cannot believe that even today, that bitterness between supporters of both is still here. I voted for Bernie in the primaries then voted for Hillary in the general, and Bernie himself threw his support behind her.

NOW just now on Twitter I am still seeing BOTH Hillary "all or nothing" people and Bernie "all or nothing people" still pointing the finger, and that shit will not help the left win in 2020 and it could even hurt us in 2018,.

BOTH Hillary and Bernie's supporters need to fucking knock it off. The election is over, it is time to move on. This bullshit I am seeing still today is why I don't want either to run, I love both of them, but our divisions are not their fault, it is the fault of a minority in BOTH camps and because of that we could end up with Trump for 8 years.

2016 is over, and it is no longer about either Bernie or Hillary, it is about gaining seats in 18 and winning in 2020. I am really sick of the cult of personality followers OF BOTH.

What especially bothers me about this loss, is the SCOTUS pick itself, was not enough to unite the two camps and now look at what we have. THE SCOTUS picks far outweigh the divisions because those judges will be sitting on the bench for decades long after a president leaves. 

PLEASE LEFT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE knock it off.

All I know is I voted for her in 2016 but never will again. She isn't horrible, she is merely unelectable. The consequences for running someone unelectable against whoever they have in the clown car are obviously too serious to screw around with.

The division between Bernie and Hillary supporters is no longer about the specific candidates. It's about the Democratic establishment vs ACTUAL liberals. The current Democratic establishment is incapable of defeating Republicans and Trump because they are no more than spineless, uninspiring neoliberals. It's not enough for them to "not be Trump" like they thought would work in November. They need to lay out a progressive platform and appeal to Trump's base the same way Sanders did. For example, what are Dems doing about healthcare? They need to formulate their own improvements on the ACA and show the American people what could be if they win more seats in 2018. Simply going against the awful Republican bill will do nothing. Bernie has created his own legislation for people to get behind, Medicare For All. What has Schumer, Pelosi, etc done? Jackshit

So no, there can be no unity until Democrats wake up and realize what they need to do. That's what these arguments are about.

(June 23, 2017 at 4:27 pm)Whateverist Wrote: All I know is I voted for her in 2016 but never will again.  She isn't horrible, she is merely unelectable.  The consequences for running someone unelectable against whoever they have in the clown car are obviously too serious to screw around with.

She would have made an excellent president, so I don't think she was horrible. I would only say that running is not her thing and doing is. I think between Trump being a fucking asshole, whom should have been sued for defamation in any case, plus her strategy not hitting the rust belt states enough at the end hurt her. 

My point here is I really don't want either to run again precisely because the bitterness in both camps is still there. I still love both of them, but I think it would be suicide if either ran again.

(June 23, 2017 at 4:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: ..................and that shit will not help the left win in 2020 and it could even hurt us in 2018,.

That's why I'm hoping that they keep it up!!!! I'm hoping for any republican next time around too

(June 23, 2017 at 5:53 pm)Court Jester Wrote:

(June 23, 2017 at 4:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: ..................and that shit will not help the left win in 2020 and it could even hurt us in 2018,.

That's why I'm hoping that they keep it up!!!! I'm hoping for any republican next time around too

Way to make the case for party over country.

Boru

I suspect Jester is really Putin.

(June 23, 2017 at 5:53 pm)Court Jester Wrote:

(June 23, 2017 at 4:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: ..................and that shit will not help the left win in 2020 and it could even hurt us in 2018,.

That's why I'm hoping that they keep it up!!!! I'm hoping for any republican next time around too

That makes you an idiot. The GOP is chomping at the bit to screw 24 million including over 1 million vets out of health care, more tax breaks for the rich that will make Bush Jr's crash look like an economic boom.

We've done the deregulation and don't tax the rich since Reagan and all that has done is gutted the middle class and exploded the pay gap and made it harder and harder for workers to make ends meet.

It astounds me how people can get stupid and vote against their own self interests.

(June 23, 2017 at 5:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 23, 2017 at 5:53 pm)Court Jester Wrote: That's why I'm hoping that they keep it up!!!! I'm hoping for any republican next time around too

Way to make the case for party over country.

Boru

Given the choices; yes.

(June 23, 2017 at 6:26 pm)Court Jester Wrote:

(June 23, 2017 at 5:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Way to make the case for party over country.

Boru

Given the choices; yes.

The GOP is based out of Moscow, not Washington DC.