(June 26, 2017 at 10:55 am)Astonished Wrote:

(June 26, 2017 at 10:27 am)Little Rik Wrote: Life is a game.
If someone would tell you where is the nugget of gold then there wouldn't be the game in the first place.
The consciousness would never expand and the small would stay small but the game goes on and on so the consciousness expand and one day the small become big.  

Yeah except while you're looking for the gold nugget you're also being violently sodomized and branded. Don't front, the whole idea of heaven is this place where you get all that bullshit reward and this life is utterly meaningless by comparison. This is literally nothing but a cruel punishment if it's the product of the design of this monster and spending eternity in their presence would literally be debatably as bad as eternal hellfire. Let's not forget most holy texts want us to stop thinking and asking questions, so that shows expansion of consciousness going right out the fucking window. Gods like their lofty position and lording it over the little people because they can't show us that they're actually in fact better than us by being humble and empathetic. More powerful, sure, but better? Fuck no. They're no different than the aliens from Independence Day, simply in possession of superior means but not interested in any way in being humanitarian.

Somebody say that the texts are holy.
Who said this?
God?
The religions?
Or who else?

Do me one favor Ast........the day that you will have evidence that God said that the texts are holy please come back here so we may discuss the issue.
In the meantime please stop making unproved so called evidence that evidence is not.
Thanks.  

The fact that they used a capital 'g' in the thread title pretty much says it all in case you're falling back on a deistic (pointless) stardude. What other basis for that particular deity du jour does anyone have other than the babble?

(June 26, 2017 at 11:22 am)Astonished Wrote: The fact that they used a capital 'g' in the thread title pretty much says it all in case you're falling back on a deistic (pointless) stardude. What other basis for that particular deity du jour does anyone have other than the babble?

Well Rik is pretty much the god of babble around here. Go ahead, Rik, show him what kind of babble game you're bringing.

(June 26, 2017 at 11:22 am)Astonished Wrote: The fact that they used a capital 'g' in the thread title pretty much says it all in case you're falling back on a deistic (pointless) stardude. What other basis for that particular deity du jour does anyone have other than the babble?

Different people use a simple g or a capital G.
That is not something that really worry me.
I personally use a capital G because it is obvious and logic that such a big universe made of matter must have a mind behind it and a big big mind as well so this big mind deserve my full respect.  

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(June 26, 2017 at 11:36 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(June 26, 2017 at 11:22 am)Astonished Wrote: The fact that they used a capital 'g' in the thread title pretty much says it all in case you're falling back on a deistic (pointless) stardude. What other basis for that particular deity du jour does anyone have other than the babble?

Well Rik is pretty much the god of babble around here.  Go ahead, Rik, show him what kind of babble game you're bringing.

I will see there mate.
And guess what Whatever?
Guess who will babble when I will see you there?  

(June 26, 2017 at 11:42 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 26, 2017 at 11:22 am)Astonished Wrote: The fact that they used a capital 'g' in the thread title pretty much says it all in case you're falling back on a deistic (pointless) stardude. What other basis for that particular deity du jour does anyone have other than the babble?

Different people use a simple g or a capital G.
That is not something that really worry me.
I personally use a capital G because it is obvious and logic that such a big universe made of matter must have a mind behind it and a big big mind as well so this big mind deserve my full respect.  

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(June 26, 2017 at 11:36 am)Whateverist Wrote: Well Rik is pretty much the god of babble around here.  Go ahead, Rik, show him what kind of babble game you're bringing.

I will see there mate.
And guess what Whatever?
Guess who will babble when I will see you there?  

Riiiiiight...because a mostly empty black canvas where a star explodes and goes out every few seconds that we could only find out about recently is totally indisputably something intentional. Or even the planet we live on is largely inhospitable to human life. Or the fact that there are viruses, parasites and other maladies that plague adults and children alike. You can argue all you want for a deist god but if you don't have something other than 'I lack imagination so badly that it must be that' then even that makes you sound stupid, and if you pretend you know what a creator wants or likes, you're even stupider.

(June 26, 2017 at 11:56 am)Astonished Wrote: Riiiiiight...because a mostly empty black canvas where a star explodes and goes out every few seconds that we could only find out about recently is totally indisputably something intentional. Or even the planet we live on is largely inhospitable to human life. Or the fact that there are viruses, parasites and other maladies that plague adults and children alike. You can argue all you want for a deist god but if you don't have something other than 'I lack imagination so badly that it must be that' then even that makes you sound stupid, and if you pretend you know what a creator wants or likes, you're even stupider.

1) No deist God Ast but a God that keep his creation alive 24/7.

2) As far as your consciousness seed is sprouting and on the way to become a tree then you automatically know about the tree of life.

(June 27, 2017 at 10:23 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 26, 2017 at 11:56 am)Astonished Wrote: Riiiiiight...because a mostly empty black canvas where a star explodes and goes out every few seconds that we could only find out about recently is totally indisputably something intentional. Or even the planet we live on is largely inhospitable to human life. Or the fact that there are viruses, parasites and other maladies that plague adults and children alike. You can argue all you want for a deist god but if you don't have something other than 'I lack imagination so badly that it must be that' then even that makes you sound stupid, and if you pretend you know what a creator wants or likes, you're even stupider.

1) No deist God Ast but a God that keep his creation alive 24/7.

2) As far as your consciousness seed is sprouting and on the way to become a tree then you automatically know about the tree of life.  

1. Again, assuming your jackassed conclusion, and arbitrarily ascribing yet another personally desirable characteristic to it. You must have a hard time finding anyone to play games or sports with if your mentality is to cheat so badly all the time.
2. Are you on medication (or not taking ones you should be)? I'm seriously concerned.

(June 27, 2017 at 10:35 am)Astonished Wrote:

(June 27, 2017 at 10:23 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) No deist God Ast but a God that keep his creation alive 24/7.

2) As far as your consciousness seed is sprouting and on the way to become a tree then you automatically know about the tree of life.  

1. Again, assuming your jackassed conclusion, and arbitrarily ascribing yet another personally desirable characteristic to it. You must have a hard time finding anyone to play games or sports with if your mentality is to cheat so badly all the time.

Wrong again Ast.
It is all about training.
In every field of knowledge if you are trained well you will be in touch with that particular reality.
Take a black belt.
He-she can easy understand where the adversary plan to strike so he-she will be ready to prevent the blow and strike first.
Birds and many animals can feel the storm or the earthquake or any change in nature well before humans do if they ever do.
Unfortunately most human beings are totally unable to perceive what happen around them that is why training our inner consciousness is so important to understand how the whole system works.

There is a sound in the universe.
If you close your eyes and concentrate within you can hear a uuummmm sound.
That is pure energy that feed the universe and never stop.
If that stop the universe will come to an end.

As you computer need energy to be active also the universe need energy to exist.
As soon as you turn the switch off your computer is off but the universe never die because someone
keep it alive all the time that is why deism is pure fantasy.
Not even mention atheism which is a fantasy build on more fantasy.

Quote:2. Are you on medication (or not taking ones you should be)? I'm seriously concerned.

Give time Ast.
With some training you too will be able to understand and what appear impossible will be possible.

(June 28, 2017 at 10:11 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(June 27, 2017 at 10:35 am)Astonished Wrote: 1. Again, assuming your jackassed conclusion, and arbitrarily ascribing yet another personally desirable characteristic to it. You must have a hard time finding anyone to play games or sports with if your mentality is to cheat so badly all the time.

Wrong again Ast.
It is all about training.
In every field of knowledge if you are trained well you will be in touch with that particular reality.
Take a black belt.
He-she can easy understand where the adversary plan to strike so he-she will be ready to prevent the blow and strike first.
Birds and many animals can feel the storm or the earthquake or any change in nature well before humans do if they ever do.
Unfortunately most human beings are totally unable to perceive what happen around them that is why training our inner consciousness is so important to understand how the whole system works.

There is a sound in the universe.
If you close your eyes and concentrate within you can hear a uuummmm sound.
That is pure energy that feed the universe and never stop.
If that stop the universe will come to an end.

As you computer need energy to be active also the universe need energy to exist.
As soon as you turn the switch off your computer is off but the universe never die because someone
keep it alive all the time that is why deism is pure fantasy.
Not even mention atheism which is a fantasy build on more fantasy.

Quote:2. Are you on medication (or not taking ones you should be)? I'm seriously concerned.

Give time Ast.
With some training you too will be able to understand and what appear impossible will be possible.

I think at this point a serious argument could be made that you ought to be able to be investigated for fraud, even if you're not attempting to sell something for profit.