(June 28, 2017 at 1:58 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Bible doesn't mention any children going to the golden cube.  There are no marriages in the golden cube so there might not even be any women there.  But women do get saved if they have had children.

In the Islamic version children can go to paradise under certain conditions but it's primarily a man's world.  Most of the women go to hell.  The guys get a herd of cute boys and a couple of 60 foot tall translucent women-type creatures with a few actual women throw in.  They live in 60 mile wide pearl shells in a garden with rivers of wine and other fun things.

Your doctrinal statements are almost as believable as human beings being deposited into dormant volcanos by space aliens in 50 million BCE.

(June 28, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(June 28, 2017 at 12:27 pm)Lek Wrote: Yes.  I think so.

And, no doubt, this will include pagan children?  But, if true, then when a pagan (or infidel, such as Muslim) reaches the Age of Reason and does not embrace Jesus, how, exactly, does that individual lose his/her salvation, and when, exactly, does that happen in that person's life?

I don't know. God knows how much knowledge of him they have been given and where their hearts are. It's between that person and God. My view applies to all children no matter what their parents believe.

(June 28, 2017 at 4:48 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 28, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: And, no doubt, this will include pagan children?  But, if true, then when a pagan (or infidel, such as Muslim) reaches the Age of Reason and does not embrace Jesus, how, exactly, does that individual lose his/her salvation, and when, exactly, does that happen in that person's life?

I don't know.  God knows how much knowledge of him they have been given and where their hearts are.  It's between that person and God.  My view applies to all children no matter what their parents believe.

So, everyone is born for Heaven, but if some should have the misfortune of embracing the religion of their pagan/infidel parents, then they are consigned to eternal Hell, forever and ever and ever?

(June 28, 2017 at 7:12 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(June 28, 2017 at 4:48 pm)Lek Wrote: I don't know.  God knows how much knowledge of him they have been given and where their hearts are.  It's between that person and God.  My view applies to all children no matter what their parents believe.

So, everyone is born for Heaven, but if some should have the misfortune of embracing the religion of their pagan/infidel parents, then they are consigned to eternal Hell, forever and ever and ever?

There is just literally no defense for the ineptness of any deity who wants to communicate with their creation and yet resorts to every doomed-to-fail means of delivering any message at all. All responsibility is on the deity and anyone who wants to say that we're just 'not listening' or we need to 'open our heart' needs massive electroshock therapy.

(June 28, 2017 at 7:12 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(June 28, 2017 at 4:48 pm)Lek Wrote: I don't know.  God knows how much knowledge of him they have been given and where their hearts are.  It's between that person and God.  My view applies to all children no matter what their parents believe.

So, everyone is born for Heaven, but if some should have the misfortune of embracing the religion of their pagan/infidel parents, then they are consigned to eternal Hell, forever and ever and ever?

Romans 1:19-20New Living Translation (NLT)
19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

This is the way I see it.  God reveals himself to everyone.  Those who truly seek him will find him.  They may never have heard or read the bible or know his name, but they will know Jesus if they truly desire to know God.  I also don't believe that anyone will stay in hell "forever and ever and ever".

(June 28, 2017 at 7:40 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 28, 2017 at 7:12 pm)Jehanne Wrote: So, everyone is born for Heaven, but if some should have the misfortune of embracing the religion of their pagan/infidel parents, then they are consigned to eternal Hell, forever and ever and ever?

Romans 1:19-20New Living Translation (NLT)
19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

This is the way I see it.  God reveals himself to everyone.  Those who truly seek him will find him.  They may never have heard or read the bible or know his name, but they will know Jesus if they truly desire to know God.  I also don't believe that anyone will stay in hell "forever and ever and ever".

Oh, so you're one of those NICE pieces of shit. Super. Now let's just hope this one out of 7 and some change billion people's interpretation of things is the right one. I like those odds!

How many lemons do you eat every day Astonished?

(June 28, 2017 at 2:16 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(June 28, 2017 at 1:58 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Bible doesn't mention any children going to the golden cube.  There are no marriages in the golden cube so there might not even be any women there.  But women do get saved if they have had children.

In the Islamic version children can go to paradise under certain conditions but it's primarily a man's world.  Most of the women go to hell.  The guys get a herd of cute boys and a couple of 60 foot tall translucent women-type creatures with a few actual women throw in.  They live in 60 mile wide pearl shells in a garden with rivers of wine and other fun things.

Your doctrinal statements are almost as believable as human beings being deposited into dormant volcanos by space aliens in 50 million BCE.

What points do you disagree with?

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(June 28, 2017 at 7:40 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 28, 2017 at 7:12 pm)Jehanne Wrote: So, everyone is born for Heaven, but if some should have the misfortune of embracing the religion of their pagan/infidel parents, then they are consigned to eternal Hell, forever and ever and ever?

Romans 1:19-20New Living Translation (NLT)
19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

This is the way I see it.  God reveals himself to everyone.  Those who truly seek him will find him.  They may never have heard or read the bible or know his name, but they will know Jesus if they truly desire to know God.  I also don't believe that anyone will stay in hell "forever and ever and ever".

According to the biblical fairy tale hell is temporary.  Everyone makes bail on Judgment Day.  And just because someone has been in hell it doesn't mean that he won't get into the golden cube.  But he has to be able to pass through one of the twelve gates reserved for the twelve tribes of Israel.  Gentiles might not get into New Jerusalem unless they are slaves.

In the Islamic hell people who don't make the cut on Judgment Day get thrown into hell for eternity.  It's a super bad place but it will have a lot of women.  It's constant torture of the worse kinds for eternity.  

It seems that people are always getting those two hells mixed up.  More people seem to believe in the Islamic hell than the biblical hell.  In the Bible hell gets thrown into the lake of fire, along with death.  Bad people also get thrown into the lake of fire, which is the second death so when that happens it seems that everything is over for good.

Vodka never misleads anyone!

(June 28, 2017 at 10:55 pm)Lek Wrote: How many lemons do you eat every day Astonished?

How many hammer blows to the skull must you endure every day to remain as you are?