(July 4, 2017 at 12:54 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 4, 2017 at 12:45 pm)Luckie Wrote:  

As I told my dad this month. I'd rather spend eternal torment in hell, than eternity in heaven at the expense of those in hell. Their laments and suffering could never leave my ears otherwise, which in my eyes makes me akin to being morally superior to god.

Big words, but if you cared that much about people you would be giving everything you have to help those in need.

(July 4, 2017 at 3:06 pm)Lek Wrote:

(July 4, 2017 at 2:56 pm)Luckie Wrote: Oh heyyy its white Jesus again!
Are you Catholic? That sounds like some good old fashioned Catholic guilt to me!!

To me it sounds like you're all talk and no action.  If you knew you could save one person from hell for each finger and toe you cut off, how many would you cut off?

As I said, I'm all in. Unforgivable sin and all, I've flipped off my share of god. Actually I should be asking you why you even have a phone or laptop to toss about on. When I was a Christian if I could give or do I did. That includes more than just being a self righteous protagonist online. I gave my time, my heart, my love, my everything. Even to poverty although that is a side effect of being impoverished oneself. Still I gave. And to this day I can't say I have much left tO give. I meet deaths door as a matter of habit, being on numerous chemo meds for the last 15 years of my life, losing body parts and relationships and belongings to the point of nothing, due to my illness. Sad but true I live in my mom's living room in a bed that is or isn't my deathbed, who knows? Do yOu have legs? Do YOU have fingers and toes capable of putting on some shoes and doing something constructive with your time?? I do my best every day to pass on love in any way I'm able. You seem to use your time to be a judgemental pRick online and unsolicited. For fun. Go fuck yourself with your bullshit. If I die (which could be any week of my life), then so be it. And if by some leap and bound I meet up with the god portrayed in the Bible and not the tens of thousands of other religions? It's too late for me, I DID commit the unforgivable sin. I haVe given up everything. If I'm to die a second death in hell, then so fucking be it. Unlike you I READ the words of your god. And they were not good. And I know exactly what I'm saying having lived my life by that god every day of my life since infant hood. I know what you love. I know what you feel. And I'm compelled to ask, why are you okay with your beloved brethren being sent to hell eternal (the fiery brimstone one described by the bible) for reasons unbecoming of the punishment? In the end, hell is every Christians undoing. Either you're a monster for believing in it or you're condemned. Why is hell called for, for a child committing suicide because she can't fathom her father fucking her, telling her shes an awful subhuman, beating her up as he does.. just one more time??? Jesus platitudes and hell seem meaningless at that point, especially that those who live in and were born to hell on earth.

(July 4, 2017 at 6:59 pm)Luckie Wrote:

(July 4, 2017 at 12:54 pm)Lek Wrote: Big words, but if you cared that much about people you would be giving everything you have to help those in need.

(July 4, 2017 at 3:06 pm)Lek Wrote: To me it sounds like you're all talk and no action.  If you knew you could save one person from hell for each finger and toe you cut off, how many would you cut off?

As I said, I'm all in. Unforgivable sin and all, I've flipped off my share of god. Actually I should be asking you why you even have a phone or laptop to toss about on. When I was a Christian if I could give or do I did. That includes more than just being a self righteous protagonist online. I gave my time, my heart, my love, my everything. Even to poverty although that is a side effect of being impoverished oneself. Still I gave. And to this day I can't say I have much left tO give. I meet deaths door as a matter of habit, being on numerous chemo meds for the last 15 years of my life, losing body parts and relationships and belongings to the point of nothing, due to my illness. Sad but true I live in my mom's living room in a bed that is or isn't my deathbed, who knows? Do yOu have legs? Do YOU have fingers and toes capable of putting on some shoes and doing something constructive with your time?? I do my best every day to pass on love in any way I'm able. You seem to use your time to be a judgemental pRick online and unsolicited. For fun. Go fuck yourself with your bullshit. If I die (which could be any week of my life), then so be it. And if by some leap and bound I meet up with the god portrayed in the Bible and not the tens of thousands of other religions? It's too late for me, I DID commit the unforgivable sin. I haVe given up everything. If I'm to die a second death in hell, then so fucking be it. Unlike you I READ the words of your god. And they were not good. And I know exactly what I'm saying having lived my life by that god every day of my life since infant hood. I know what you love. I know what you feel. And I'm compelled to ask, why are you okay with your beloved brethren being sent to hell eternal (the fiery brimstone one described by the bible) for reasons unbecoming of the punishment? In the end, hell is every Christians undoing. Either you're a monster for believing in it or you're condemned. Why is hell called for, for a child committing suicide because she can't fathom her father fucking her, telling her shes an awful subhuman, beating her up as he does.. just one more time??? Jesus platitudes and hell seem meaningless at that point, especially that those who live in and were born to hell on earth.

I have no words. You moved me to tears, that was painful yet beautiful. Thank you for sharing that, I probably wouldn't have the strength if that was my situation.

Moved.

(July 4, 2017 at 4:54 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(July 4, 2017 at 4:45 pm)Godscreated Wrote: This is why I'm here in hopes someone will listen.

GC

Most of us have already heard it all.

(July 4, 2017 at 4:45 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I couldn't care less what Islam teaches

It's funny how you can take this attitude with other religions, but you can't seem to understand when others take the exact same attitude with yours.

 Mine is the genuine thing with the real living God, all others are not. God said there are no other gods outside of Me. Being the creator He would know.

GC

(July 4, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 4, 2017 at 4:54 pm)Jesster Wrote: Most of us have already heard it all.



It's funny how you can take this attitude with other religions, but you can't seem to understand when others take the exact same attitude with yours.

 Mine is the genuine thing with the real living God, all others are not. God said there are no other gods outside of Me. Being the creator He would know.

GC

See, that makes you sound like the hugest asshole in the fucking world. You sound like an arrogant know-it-all piece of shit and hypocrite because you think you're coming across as humble and kind when you're the furthest thing from it. Fuck you for insulting our intelligence thinking we can't see right through your bullshit.

(July 4, 2017 at 6:26 pm)JackRussell Wrote:

(July 4, 2017 at 6:10 pm)Lek Wrote: I don't think I've tried any English beer.  I'm picturing myself sitting in a tavern in the countryside, with a mug of draft, with foam running down the sides, putting trails through the frosted glass - and if it's an English pub it must also have a dart board on the wall.  I'll just hold that image.

Fairly accurate. My pub has darts, bar billiards and a Toad in the Hole board. The local beer wouldn't foam down your glass, but down your chin, it's pretty strong.

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And the beer is warm, no frosted glass, sorry

When asked 'how do you remember those days in England during WW2' an oft repeated comment of the US aircrews was, Warm beer and sympathy.

(July 4, 2017 at 6:59 pm)Luckie Wrote: As I said, I'm all in. Unforgivable sin and all, I've flipped off my share of god. Actually I should be asking you why you even have a phone or laptop to toss about on. When I was a Christian if I could give or do I did. That includes more than just being a self righteous protagonist online. I gave my time, my heart, my love, my everything. Even to poverty although that is a side effect of being impoverished oneself. Still I gave. And to this day I can't say I have much left tO give. I meet deaths door as a matter of habit, being on numerous chemo meds for the last 15 years of my life, losing body parts and relationships and belongings to the point of nothing, due to my illness. Sad but true I live in my mom's living room in a bed that is or isn't my deathbed, who knows? Do yOu have legs? Do YOU have fingers and toes capable of putting on some shoes and doing something constructive with your time?? I do my best every day to pass on love in any way I'm able. You seem to use your time to be a judgemental pRick online and unsolicited. For fun. Go fuck yourself with your bullshit. If I die (which could be any week of my life), then so be it. And if by some leap and bound I meet up with the god portrayed in the Bible and not the tens of thousands of other religions? It's too late for me, I DID commit the unforgivable sin. I haVe given up everything. If I'm to die a second death in hell, then so fucking be it. Unlike you I READ the words of your god. And they were not good. And I know exactly what I'm saying having lived my life by that god every day of my life since infant hood. I know what you love. I know what you feel. And I'm compelled to ask, why are you okay with your beloved brethren being sent to hell eternal (the fiery brimstone one described by the bible) for reasons unbecoming of the punishment? In the end, hell is every Christians undoing. Either you're a monster for believing in it or you're condemned. Why is hell called for, for a child committing suicide because she can't fathom her father fucking her, telling her shes an awful subhuman, beating her up as he does.. just one more time??? Jesus platitudes and hell seem meaningless at that point, especially that those who live in and were born to hell on earth.

I'm really sorry to hear of your circumstances. I made the mistake of telling an atheist that I'd pray for him and he got upset and told me not to, so I won't tell you that I'll pray for you. As far as the unpardonable sin goes, I don't even know exactly what it is. How do you even know you've committed it? I don't even think people will even know if they committed it until after death. I've heard it said that if you're concerned about having committed it, then you probably didn't. Any one who did wouldn't even care in the least. As far as hell goes, I've done some studying through the bible and I don't believe the bible says that anyone will spend eternity in hell. The bible doesn't mention the consequences of suicide. What it does say is that those who are not in Christ will not be saved. Is the young girl in your example denying God? That's probably the last thing going through her mind at the moment. Is the avowed atheist who is committing doctor-assisted suicide denying God? That's also probably not going through her mind at the time, but of course she already has before then. I say it's between God and the individual.

Me a self-righteous protagonist? I've admitted openly in this forum that I'm not good. In fact, I've taken heat for admitting that I need God to be righteous. Look at your own posts and ask yourself who the self-righteous one is. Sounds like you've lived an unselfish life and that isn't something that should not go unrewarded. I can't even imagine the misery you are going through and there's no way I would take any satisfaction in your situation. There's no way I would want to trade places with you, but a least if I was in your situation I would have the comfort of knowing that I'll have a healthy body for eternity and that's the way it should be for you. Whether you like it or not that's what I think.

(July 4, 2017 at 7:16 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(July 4, 2017 at 6:59 pm)Luckie Wrote: As I said, I'm all in. Unforgivable sin and all, I've flipped off my share of god. Actually I should be asking you why you even have a phone or laptop to toss about on. When I was a Christian if I could give or do I did. That includes more than just being a self righteous protagonist online. I gave my time, my heart, my love, my everything. Even to poverty although that is a side effect of being impoverished oneself. Still I gave. And to this day I can't say I have much left tO give. I meet deaths door as a matter of habit, being on numerous chemo meds for the last 15 years of my life, losing body parts and relationships and belongings to the point of nothing, due to my illness. Sad but true I live in my mom's living room in a bed that is or isn't my deathbed, who knows? Do yOu have legs? Do YOU have fingers and toes capable of putting on some shoes and doing something constructive with your time?? I do my best every day to pass on love in any way I'm able. You seem to use your time to be a judgemental pRick online and unsolicited. For fun. Go fuck yourself with your bullshit. If I die (which could be any week of my life), then so be it. And if by some leap and bound I meet up with the god portrayed in the Bible and not the tens of thousands of other religions? It's too late for me, I DID commit the unforgivable sin. I haVe given up everything. If I'm to die a second death in hell, then so fucking be it. Unlike you I READ the words of your god. And they were not good. And I know exactly what I'm saying having lived my life by that god every day of my life since infant hood. I know what you love. I know what you feel. And I'm compelled to ask, why are you okay with your beloved brethren being sent to hell eternal (the fiery brimstone one described by the bible) for reasons unbecoming of the punishment? In the end, hell is every Christians undoing. Either you're a monster for believing in it or you're condemned. Why is hell called for, for a child committing suicide because she can't fathom her father fucking her, telling her shes an awful subhuman, beating her up as he does.. just one more time??? Jesus platitudes and hell seem meaningless at that point, especially that those who live in and were born to hell on earth.

I have no words. You moved me to tears, that was painful yet beautiful. Thank you for sharing that, I probably wouldn't have the strength if that was my situation.

The testimony of just this one beautiful person is worth more than all the billions of words uttered by the faithful. I was deeply moved. Luckie, your name should be writ large.

(July 4, 2017 at 7:40 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(July 4, 2017 at 7:16 pm)Astonished Wrote: I have no words. You moved me to tears, that was painful yet beautiful. Thank you for sharing that, I probably wouldn't have the strength if that was my situation.

The testimony of just this one beautiful person is worth more than all the billions of words uttered by the faithful. I was deeply moved. Luckie, your name should be writ large.

And what's even sadder is that something so authentically human still inspires the faithful to give all the credit to their god (and none of the blame for the bad). It's beyond impossible not to feel insulted for that kind of thing anymore, at least for me.

Oh, sorry to pull on your strings. Be happy! I am.
I'm not ashamed of my situation, I love my life. Every day is a "blessing". I live to love, and I love to live. If only I could live more. I'd still have the same goals now as I did before my illness came to a head. It halted my life in terms of regularity, but I have lived many lives since then happy to report.

I want to help people. I want to spread love and goodness in this world. I'm here at these forums because I've come to know many people here that are more down to earth than most people I've come across during my entire lifetime! It's fantastic. I love meeting different people of differing beliefs. I do not, however, put up with biblical apologists nor will I allow someone so out of touch with life judge me.

Anyone who pulls out the destitution card is a pathetic apologist who needs to get off their asses and go see some of the real world. I suggest volunteering for the WHO or Red Cross if they truly hold themselves accountable to their beliefs. Go tell that skeleton baby with a vulture behind it, that this is all gods plan and that Jesus loves him. Or just spend a day at the VA, or at a homeless shelter. Child's canicer unit. Anything, really. Tossing money in a collection basket and considering your duty fulfilled is monkeys work.

When I was at work with my mom where she cared for a 17yr old who has the mind of a toddler and the body of someone with dystonia. Daily seizures, if he got excited or upset or just for no reason.. seizures. Regularly needs his spit sucked from his chin, which is perpetually raw from a lifetime of such. He had a seizure. He hates them so much, and I can't blame him. But mom just held him, and wiped his vomit and cradled him like a baby.. and she said oh honey it's okay it's okay Jesus loves you as he just shook his head no no no in response, with tears running down his face. I don't fault her or anyone for trying to comfort someone with love,wherever it may be coming from. But I think his reaction speaks for itself. And her love is precious. Even to this day, albeit she's in a lesbian relationshup to the best partner I've ever seen her with--she still quotes Jesus and believes in the bible and heaven. Not so much hell, but I'm not going to be the one to unsolicited knock on her beliefs like these Christians come here specifically to do to us.

If her belief makes her happy, so be it. My non belief has set me free and I've lost so many complexes I can hardly contain my excitement! I'm free to love freely, and there's nothing on this earth, more precious than that.