(July 26, 2017 at 7:54 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 2:26 am)Godscreated Wrote:  I seriously doubt it, if this person ever knew God he would not have made all the mistakes he did. I think he's a sock and I hope someone catches him at it. Besides I'm not mad what good would that do me no matter who he is. Actually if he were to be a Christian I just might get a bit upset with him for such a poor expression of what the Bible says. That is definitely no way for a Christian to act. 

GC

So is "being a xtian" just an act?

 Why would you ask me such a question? If this person is a Christian he is being deceitful in his attempt to convenience atheists to consider Christianity. Being deceitful goes against what the scriptures teach us about how to witness. If this person believes he is right in what he says he isn't a Christian, you'll have to decide what he is. For me either way he is a hoax.

GC

(July 26, 2017 at 11:55 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 7:54 am)Whateverist Wrote: So is "being a xtian" just an act?

 Why would you ask me such a question? If this person is a Christian he is being deceitful in his attempt to convenience atheists to consider Christianity. Being deceitful goes against what the scriptures teach us about how to witness. If this person believes he is right in what he says he isn't a Christian, you'll have to decide what he is. For me either way he is a hoax.

GC

You're pretty hypocritical to call someone out on deceitful witnessing...

(July 26, 2017 at 11:55 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Why would you ask me such a question? If this person is a Christian he is being deceitful in his attempt to convenience atheists to consider Christianity. Being deceitful goes against what the scriptures teach us about how to witness. If this person believes he is right in what he says he isn't a Christian, you'll have to decide what he is. For me either way he is a hoax.

GC

While you're probably sick of hearing about Ms. Godscreated Loony, it is crucial that you read this letter. Without going into all the gory details, let's just say that I like to challenge people to treat the disease, not the symptoms. I realize that that's a tall order, but Godscreated wants to delegitimize our belief systems and replace them with a counter-hegemony that seeks to send us down an intolerant path that will be tough to recover from. Personally, I don't want that. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you also prefer freedom then you should be working with me to fight the good fight. Let me end by stating simply that Ms. Godscreated Loony's bait-and-switch tactics obfuscate any attempt to locate responsibility for the consequential decisions of those who have access to the means of power. I'll leave it at that.

http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

(July 26, 2017 at 9:43 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

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Godscreated Wrote: The sin is against an infinite being (God) and a sin unforgiven is infinite, so therefore the punishment is infinite.

GC

Because God is infinitely thin-skinned and infinitely unforgiving.

You want forgiveness God has made it possible for you to have, rejecting Jesus is not the way you can be forgiven.

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Godscreated Wrote: I seriously doubt it, if this person ever knew God he would not have made all the mistakes he did. I think he's a sock and I hope someone catches him at it. Besides I'm not mad what good would that do me no matter who he is. Actually if he were to be a Christian I just might get a bit upset with him for such a poor expression of what the Bible says. That is definitely no way for a Christian to act. 

GC

Mister A Wrote:If he is as he presents, he is a believer who thinks he has lost his soul due to offending God with an unforgivable sin. You might want to point out that no one actually knows what constitutes that unforgiveable sin of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Do you think a teenager who said 'screw the Holy Spirit' in his metal phase is damned forever with no hope? If not, maybe let this guy know why not. If he turns out to be a sock, what harm will you have done?

 
You can't be a Christian and commit the unforgiveable sin. The unforgiveable sin is to reject the Holy Spirit's call to come to Christ and become a Christian. You are putting the cart before the horse, that's a good way to get nowhere. Really no one knows, yet I just explained it to you and I've seen other Christians give the same explanation.  No to the bold above, which I made bold. This guy has no idea who God is or what God offers, it's as obvious as the nose on your face.

GC

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(July 26, 2017 at 11:32 am)Astreja Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 1:25 am)Godscreated Wrote: The sin is against an infinite being (God) and a sin unforgiven is infinite, so therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Dead wrong. My explanation stands.

GC
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(July 26, 2017 at 11:59 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 11:55 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Why would you ask me such a question? If this person is a Christian he is being deceitful in his attempt to convenience atheists to consider Christianity. Being deceitful goes against what the scriptures teach us about how to witness. If this person believes he is right in what he says he isn't a Christian, you'll have to decide what he is. For me either way he is a hoax.

GC

You're pretty hypocritical to call someone out on deceitful witnessing...

 I've never given deceitful witnessing and that wasn't a witness according to the scriptures, a lie is a better way to describe it.

GC

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(July 27, 2017 at 12:40 am)Succubus Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 11:55 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Why would you ask me such a question? If this person is a Christian he is being deceitful in his attempt to convenience atheists to consider Christianity. Being deceitful goes against what the scriptures teach us about how to witness. If this person believes he is right in what he says he isn't a Christian, you'll have to decide what he is. For me either way he is a hoax.

GC

While you're probably sick of hearing about Ms. Godscreated Loony, it is crucial that you read this letter. Without going into all the gory details, let's just say that I like to challenge people to treat the disease, not the symptoms. I realize that that's a tall order, but Godscreated wants to delegitimize our belief systems and replace them with a counter-hegemony that seeks to send us down an intolerant path that will be tough to recover from. Personally, I don't want that. Personally, I prefer freedom. If you also prefer freedom then you should be working with me to fight the good fight. Let me end by stating simply that Ms. Godscreated Loony's bait-and-switch tactics obfuscate any attempt to locate responsibility for the consequential decisions of those who have access to the means of power. I'll leave it at that.

http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

 I have no idea what you are referring to, come back when you can make some good sense.

GC

(July 27, 2017 at 12:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: Dead wrong. My explanation stands.

Your so-called "explanation" is no more than the usual butt-hurt wittering that Christians spew when confronted by people who see the believer's imaginary friend as unjust, vicious and evil.

I am one of those people.  If your god actually existed and was as described in the Bible, it would become infinitely evil by the act of sending even one person to hell for eternity.

I do not worship evil gods, and I refuse to accept the tainted "free gift" of salvation.  I do not consent to anyone dying in my place and unconditionally reject the Passover long weekend sacrifice inconvenience  of Jesus in perpetuity.

Ouch! GC. That's gotta hurt...

Life is a lot easier is you let the truth set you free.

(July 26, 2017 at 2:49 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Yes, retarded is a very sad bit of the theist mindset.

Depression has good evolutionary explanations, a fact of life you reject.

Calling people retarded is the poisoning of the well that theists excel in, without even understanding.

Are you retarded... (NOT Withdrawn) It was an inside joke you self righteous moron.

Again not a GOD ISSUE Therefore no need to bring up evolution (that is why I asked if you were retarded because this is now the 3rd time in three posts I had to make that distinction)

I Called YOU retarded as a reflection of the diminished mental capacity you are showing to properly discern and engage in a timely and topical conversation.
It's still technical term
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/a...ekey=20174

One that you seem to fit.

(July 27, 2017 at 8:23 am)Drich Wrote: I Called YOU retarded as a reflection of the diminished mental capacity you are showing to properly discern and engage in a timely and topical conversation.  It's still technical term
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/a...ekey=20174

Are you a psychiatrist, Drich?  No? Then STFU.

(July 27, 2017 at 8:23 am)Drich Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 2:49 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Yes, retarded is a very sad bit of the theist mindset.

Depression has good evolutionary explanations, a fact of life you reject.

Calling people retarded is the poisoning of the well that theists excel in, without even understanding.

Are you retarded... (NOT Withdrawn) It was an inside joke you self righteous moron.

Again not a GOD ISSUE Therefore no need to bring up evolution (that is why I asked if you were retarded because this is now the 3rd time in three posts I had to make that distinction)

I Called YOU retarded as a reflection of the diminished mental capacity you are showing to properly discern and engage in a timely and topical conversation.
It's still technical term
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/a...ekey=20174

One that you seem to fit.

"Self righteous" is what the God of Abraham is as a character the way he is written, "Look at me look at me, I need constant attention, I will throw a fit if you don't at a minimum kiss my ass 1 day a week."

What kind of insecure brat needs 7 billion friends? What kind of insecure bully needs to threaten revenge if you don't kiss his ass?

Now here is where you stupidly will accuse the atheist of bigotry, when all it is is blasphemy. No different than if we both went to the same movie, you liked it, and I thought it sucked. 

Do you even care to understand how life worked even in polytheism back then? Even in polytheism, humans were widely ruled by local tribal royal families. You had your ruling class, governing class and warrior class and then subjects at the bottom. Unless you were part of the top of that society, you pretty much obeyed anyone above you. 

Even in polytheism, the mortality rate was far higher back then, so loyalty to your local ruler was far more of a demand to protect the survival of the local society. 

The tropes of the rulers success or failure or conquests were attributed to the divine world. Humans stupidly attributed their tribe's success to an authoritarian figure who had the blessings of entitlement of the divine world.

Your God character is not real, it is nothing more than a human projection reflecting the ruling family societies everyone lived under back then. There is no difference between the "divine entitlement" of the surrounding and prior polytheism and your monotheism, other than the number of deities believed in.

Yahweh the name was STOLEN by the splinter sect Hebrews, from Canaanite polytheism, in which Yahweh was a lesser god under the head GOD El as part of a divine family. The Hebrews did not magically find the right god, they simply concocted a new religion by elevating an old character from polytheism and vilified all the other deities and successfully marketed it.

The Jesus character and NT writers were doing no different. They incorporated the Jewish religion and concocted a hero character to draw people away from the old religion.

It still reflects a authoritarian family type ruler because that is what humans lived under back then. The God of Abraham is an authoritarian, not an elected official that can be removed from office like we have in the west today.

(July 26, 2017 at 9:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 2:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Are you retarded or something ... Withdrawn

Anyway I never said anything about God. I simply pointed out the fact that 'feelings' had nothing to do with the soul, and then diagnosised the signs of depression.

My advise as bad as it was was to suppress their feelings and eat till the felt better or go seek help

So that means I did not reference God in any way shape or form as this is not a God problem/issue.

"Soul" is a superstitious word and is the same ilk as "spirit" and even the new age watered down version "aura". 

You don't have to say shit about your pet deity. You still however think yours is the only real one, and also fall to see that superstition leads humans to falsely believe in an "other power".

OMG you are really genuinely L.D. retarded... because even after I explained to you this has nothing to do with God I never mentioned God, you can't help yourself but putting God into your straw man argument and assign it to me!

Quote:Of course feelings have nothing to do with the soul because there is no such thing. Just like talking to Santa won't put presents under the tree even if the thought of such triggers endorphins.

Ahhh, no. Not according to psychology today and a few others:


 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cate-monta...12150.html
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl.../soul.aspx#!
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/bioc...e-says-yes 
Maybe you oughta R-E-A-D a little before you just assume your opinion is what your precious science is telling you to think.

That said, nothing I've said upto this point had anything to do with the soul's origins. That was you creating a strawman

Quote:"feelings" and I hate to burst your bubble, are not a result of a cosmic sky wizard vs a ground troll or a "soul" or a "spirit". "Feelings" are quite natural and have never been caused by the super natural. 

And this is your inability to learn to acknowledge what is written on page. My definition of the soul has been defined more by science than God. Again check out one of the three references I gave, or google it for yourself. Learn to seek out what is being said on page learn to identify a message's topic and try and not ascribe a topic to the author. That is what being open minded is al about. Rather than seeing my sun flower and thinking how is Drich fitting God into this.. How stupid do you look to your peers when you repeatedly accuse me of doing something I have no part in?

Quote:Don't hand me any bullshit that you think God has nothing to do with the outcome of humans if you believe in him.

WFT are you talking about? I said the dude should eat ice cream at a buffet till he is ready to puke, or seek professional help... And no God does not seek to help people just because they believe. God invests in people/not everyone as most of you can correctly claim.

Quote:You do or you don't. If you do believe God is good and can help me, then stand by your argument and defend it.

Help you what? paint your house? learn to read? When I needed help like that I was sent to day labor and painted a dozen houses over 2 summers and now I know how to paint a house. Learn to Read I was introduced to a guy who kept all his comic books (silver age stuff) I first learned to take in all the pictures and try and figure out what was going on, then I pounded out phonetically every word and kept repeating the phrase till i got it or the sentence matched what was going on, on page. then I started to buy my own books, then I started in on the bible. That is how God helped me. Gave me opportunity. never one did he sprinkle magic God dust over a problem and it went away.

Quote:I don't think however this has to do with evidence on your part, but merely another dodge to avoid accepting you have no evidence.

WTF are you talking about? I gave you 3 pages to confirm 'science's acceptance on the soul... where is your proof now?

Quote:If my depression has nothing to do with selling your God , GREAT. It would be nice to think, but I don't believe you. I do however believe that if I were not as educated as I am now, and a newbie you'd try to pick me off and sell me a utopia to cure me.

Take my first post here and tell me where I am selling anything besides a trip to the golden corral. That is why you fail.

Quote:Does God intervene or not? If he does according to you, why would he need a mere fallible mortal to act as his PR department? 

No He invests. He doesn't need a PR department if you would simply read the bible before you speak or assume anything about God.

Quote:No don't and me crap, you DO believe your God is a cure for humanity's ills otherwise why believe it?

understand this is the 2nd or 3rd post to you specifically telling you God was never apart of my answer to the OP. You being a self admitted retard has dyslexieda all over what I wrote. and has changed EVERYTHING I said to fit a God narrative of your own creation. Again never once mention God in anything I wrote, that is what makes you a retard. Because all of your responses are centered around God.

Maybe you want to ask me why God did not help you with your depression?

Because again God invests in people.

You are a 'cracked' pot (head) and God can't pour or have you keep anything till you address what is broken with in you.. Like for instance what had you keep coming back to God when speaking with me.

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(July 27, 2017 at 8:53 am)Astreja Wrote:

(July 27, 2017 at 8:23 am)Drich Wrote: I Called YOU retarded as a reflection of the diminished mental capacity you are showing to properly discern and engage in a timely and topical conversation.  It's still technical term
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/a...ekey=20174

Are you a psychiatrist, Drich?  No? Then STFU.

Are you in a position to tell me what terms I can and can not use? what are you a Fascist? Tolerance for everyone, unless they disagree in any way shape for form. then it 'STUFF'