Being British the Christians around me, though few, seem to be overall a rather harmless bunch, mostly good intentioned who keep themselves to themselves, help the needy and champion causes that actually benefit people generally.

This is the sort of Christian that I don't mind, I think they are wrong but they aren't much trouble.

Now this seems to be the opposite of American Christians who blaze around trying to be the biggest arseholes they can be. (they have to a certain extent spread this over here but only in tiny patches).

What gives?

Why is being a huge dick part of the Christian US agenda?

(July 28, 2017 at 10:56 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Being British the Christians around me, though few, seem to be overall a rather harmless bunch, mostly good intentioned who keep themselves to themselves, help the needy and champion causes that actually benefit people generally.

This is the sort of Christian that I don't mind, I think they are wrong but they aren't much trouble.

Now this seems to be the opposite of American Christians who blaze around trying to be the biggest arseholes they can be. (they have to a certain extent spread this over here but only in tiny patches).

What gives?

Why is being a huge dick part of the Christian US agenda?

There's this sense of entitlement that's just kind of always been around, since Manifest Destiny. Like because they belong to the 'chosen people' (because they don't read their own holy books and readily dismiss the Old Testament) the world owes them everything, and they are completely, unquestionably, 100% right about everything and to even suggest there might be a problem with this is akin to pissing on their shoes in front of everyone they know.

Being the majority and having so much political power helps maintain this sense of superiority. When you think you've got the most powerful being conceivable in your corner, well, you know how power corrupts, and absolutely power corrupts absolutely and all that, so even the delusion of having that power is massively corrupting. They also have this idea that anyone not quite like them (primarily the white male demographic) is more of a piece of property than a person, ergo their stances on women's rights and their insistence that they can do whatever the happy hell they want with their kids.

So yeah, that's my two cents. Just a lingering result of an extreme wave of indoctrination that hasn't slowed down since.

(July 28, 2017 at 10:56 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: What gives?

Why is being a huge dick part of the Christian US agenda?

-that's what happens when faith is subverted and transformed into a political wedge for the benefit of people whose agenda is to be as a big a dick as they can in any area they can cram it into. We still have christians who missed the boarding party for the rightwing Hate Express. They just aren't as loud and obnoxious, so they go unnoticed.

The majority of Christians here are nominal Christians that follow %50 of the NT %50 of the time. Some of those may still wish to deprive gays and trans people of basic rights though

Quote: Now this seems to be the opposite of American Christians who blaze around trying to be the biggest arseholes they can be.

And generally succeeding.

(July 28, 2017 at 10:56 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Being British the Christians around me, though few, seem to be overall a rather harmless bunch, mostly good intentioned who keep themselves to themselves, help the needy and champion causes that actually benefit people generally.

This is the sort of Christian that I don't mind, I think they are wrong but they aren't much trouble.

Now this seems to be the opposite of American Christians who blaze around trying to be the biggest arseholes they can be. (they have to a certain extent spread this over here but only in tiny patches).

What gives?

Why is being a huge dick part of the Christian US agenda?

what exposure do you have with american christian? what the fake news says? their double coverage of the westbrough baptists and the none existant coverage of everyone else? You know the WBB are a family congregation and a neighbor right? Yet every other church who sits hundreds to thousands to mega churches who seat 10,000+ with multiple sermons every sunday and all of their works are completely non existent in the mainstream media. So why would you think, you would think any different of anyone else. You have poisoned the well of ALL american Christians based on the crazy stuff they put on the news.

(July 28, 2017 at 12:03 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 28, 2017 at 10:56 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Being British the Christians around me, though few, seem to be overall a rather harmless bunch, mostly good intentioned who keep themselves to themselves, help the needy and champion causes that actually benefit people generally.

This is the sort of Christian that I don't mind, I think they are wrong but they aren't much trouble.

Now this seems to be the opposite of American Christians who blaze around trying to be the biggest arseholes they can be. (they have to a certain extent spread this over here but only in tiny patches).

What gives?

Why is being a huge dick part of the Christian US agenda?

what exposure do you have with american christian? what the fake news says? their double coverage of the westbrough baptists and the none existant coverage of everyone else? You know the WBB are a family congregation and a neighbor right? Yet every other church who sits hundreds to thousands to mega churches who seat 10,000+ with multiple sermons every sunday and all of their works are completely non existent in the mainstream media. So why would you think, you would think any different of anyone else. You have poisoned the well of ALL american Christians based on the crazy stuff they put on the news.

I swear, you do more to make atheists feel good about their unbelief (and probably getting believers to question their faith) then anything I can think of right now.  You're the perfect example of the poisoning of the American christian well.

The simple utterance of the phrase "fake news" is..all by itself, lulzworthy.  I'm legitimately impressed that you've found a way to top that by then imagining that news coverage of the majority faith of their readership, viewership, and owners...is anything other than roundly sympathetic to that faith. I guess you live in one of those #alternate realities where christians are a poor downtrodden minority, persecuted everywhere they go and nightly on satans picture box.

Quote: what exposure do you have with american christian?

Probably you, dripshit.  You are the quintessential bad example of jesusists.

(July 28, 2017 at 12:03 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 28, 2017 at 10:56 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Being British the Christians around me, though few, seem to be overall a rather harmless bunch, mostly good intentioned who keep themselves to themselves, help the needy and champion causes that actually benefit people generally.

This is the sort of Christian that I don't mind, I think they are wrong but they aren't much trouble.

Now this seems to be the opposite of American Christians who blaze around trying to be the biggest arseholes they can be. (they have to a certain extent spread this over here but only in tiny patches).

What gives?

Why is being a huge dick part of the Christian US agenda?

what exposure do you have with american christian? what the fake news says? their double coverage of the westbrough baptists and the none existant coverage of everyone else? You know the WBB are a family congregation and a neighbor right? Yet every other church who sits hundreds to thousands to mega churches who seat 10,000+ with multiple sermons every sunday and all of their works are completely non existent in the mainstream media. So why would you think, you would think any different of anyone else. You have poisoned the well of ALL american Christians based on the crazy stuff they put on the news.

The exposure I have to US Christians is through the media, not fake news but the news news, or is opposition to abortion not Christian led, is the desire to knowingly teach incorrect science  not Christian led, is the oppression of non-typically gendered people not spearheaded by Christians.
Is the suppression of atheists not Christian led?

You know that it genuinely is the religious lobby in America that actively seek to do evil and oppress.

In a September 1994 plenary speech to the Christian Coalition national convention, Rev. D. James Kennedy said that "true Christian citizenship" involves an active engagement in society to "take dominion over all things as vice-regents of God." Kennedy's remarks were reported in February 1995 by sociologist and journalist Sara Diamond, who wrote that Kennedy had "echoed the Reconstructionist line."

Its with views like this that you end up with a Trump presidency.