Quote:Picture a stadium full of 70,000 people. Can you think of a way that you could freak all of them out at once and make them think it's the end of the world? I can't.

A naked Donald Trump chasing a naked big-titted cheerleader from one end zone to the other trying to grab her pussy.

(August 8, 2017 at 11:16 am)Nymphadora Wrote:

(August 8, 2017 at 8:33 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

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You're undeservedly giving them the benefit of the doubt...

Yeah well I try not to be an asshole all of the time.

That way you can come out sharper, bringing your best asshole game whenever it is needed.  You still got it.

(August 8, 2017 at 10:53 am)Tazzycorn Wrote: Google Derek Acorah some day. He's done a one man demolition of "paranormal" investigations scams (as one of the scammers he managed it without meaning to).

Anyone watching one of those shows with a critical mind (I know, I know...) can tell they're bullshit from moment one. An actual scientific inquiry isn't as sloppy as a bunch of amateurs walking around in dark buildings talking to themselves while pointing FLIR cameras at various things for the small sample size of 6-8 hours.

I do love how they all state that ghosts/spirits emit electromagnetic energy that can be traced/tracked as though that claim is obvious and doesn't need to be justified.

The whole thing is basically wish fulfillment. A bunch of people with normal, mundane jobs (read: no scientific training) who just happen to be able to detect ghosts! So, not only could Joe Six-Pack detect ghosts if he wanted to, but it confirms all of his ignorant suspicions, too! Take that, formal education and critical thought!

(August 8, 2017 at 12:48 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:

(August 8, 2017 at 10:53 am)Tazzycorn Wrote: Google Derek Acorah some day. He's done a one man demolition of "paranormal" investigations scams (as one of the scammers he managed it without meaning to).

Anyone watching one of those shows with a critical mind (I know, I know...) can tell they're bullshit from moment one.  An actual scientific inquiry isn't as sloppy as a bunch of amateurs walking around in dark buildings talking to themselves while pointing FLIR cameras at various things for the small sample size of 6-8 hours.

I do love how they all state that ghosts/spirits emit electromagnetic energy that can be traced/tracked as though that claim is obvious and doesn't need to be justified.

The whole thing is basically wish fulfillment.  A bunch of people with normal, mundane jobs (read: no scientific training) who just happen to be able to detect ghosts!  So, not only could Joe Six-Pack detect ghosts if he wanted to, but it confirms all of his ignorant suspicions, too!  Take that, formal education and critical thought!

Oh, but there's unbiased peer review! After all, the producer who edits the program wouldn't have any reason to skew the audience's perception. Legit!

Take that, skepticism!

(August 8, 2017 at 12:48 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: A bunch of people with normal, mundane jobs (read: no scientific training) who just happen to be able to detect ghosts!

They would have got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids.

(August 8, 2017 at 12:54 am)Cecelia Wrote:

(August 7, 2017 at 11:58 pm)pabsta Wrote: Okay, let's say for sake of argument that the people were all wrong and that the sun did NOT spin and did NOT hurl towards the earth. If we look at all the testimonials, this is what they perceived, and is the best way they chose to describe it. But let's say their description was wrong. SOMETHING obviously happened and that SOMETHING was obviously very significant or they would not have all agreed that their clothes dried instantly, nor would they have agreed that they thought it was the end of the world and that they were going to die. Nor would the newspapers have printed anything the following day.

Picture a stadium full of 70,000 people. Can you think of a way that you could freak all of them out at once and make them think it's the end of the world? I can't. So whatever it was that happened that day, it was obviously HUGE. Most people wouldn't want to admit they thought it was the end of the world, and that they were on their knees crying like a baby because they were so scared, but these people admitted that. Something HUGE freaked them all out in an instant, and whatever it was it was predicted 3 months earlier by 3 children who said a lady told them it would happen. No one would have been there to see the incident if it hadn't been for the 3 children. THIS much cannot be denied.

If the Sun danced, then why did nobody else in the country see it?  Or anybody else in anywhere else in the world where it was day time?  Why only those people in that one spot?  Seems kind of odd to me that only those '70,000' people (the actual number there is likely exaggerated)  would see the sun dancing.  If you were 200 miles away, you should still be able to see it.  Because that's the thing about the sun.  You can see it pretty much everywhere.  And why is it not in the astrological record?

But you won't address this, because you can't.

Nor can you address the fact that around half of the people there said they saw nothing, and some had differing accounts of what happened.  Not to mention that it's not very miraculous in the first place.  (oh look!  the sun is dancing.  I'm sure this'll end world hunger/cause world peace/etc..")

What happened that day?  A bunch of people went to a place, expecting to see something.  Some probably saw something from the power of suggestion (and perhaps from staring at the sun too long..).  I can't say for certain what happened, because I wasn't there.  Nobody here was.  There's no pictures of the event taking place.  There's certainly no video.  We can only go by eyewitness accounts, which are at best hazy.  Remember that many people came from all over to see this event, so they were expecting to see something, though.  They were already believers.  (A lot of good this 'miracle' did, convincing people who already believed that what they believe is true).    So they were susceptible to suggestion.

I've already addressed this in a previous post. The author claims that from his research, the miracle was visible within a 600 square mile area. Testimonials show that everyone who was there that day saw it. There are no testimonials of people who were on the spot who said they saw nothing. Reading other testimonials confirms this. Remember, THOUSANDS of pages of testimonials were reviewed by the Catholic Church over 13 years. And as I already mentioned, the book I mentioned gives many examples of people that were NOT believers and who went to the site to mock the whole idea. They left as believers. You should really get the book because everything you are saying is covered in it.

Quote:THOUSANDS of pages of testimonials were reviewed by the Catholic Church over 13 years.

With all the altar boys they were butt-fucking you wouldn't think they'd have the time.

(August 8, 2017 at 11:02 am)Cyberman Wrote: Derek Acorah? As in Most Haunted?



Kreed Kafer

Has he gone straight now?

No I was thinking of his Most Haunted Scammed antics.

Yup..newspapers have never printed wildly inaccurate stories based on poorly-verified sources and sensationalism in order to sell copies..