(August 10, 2017 at 6:09 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(August 10, 2017 at 5:24 pm)rjh4 is back Wrote: If you have something in mind...ask. Otherwise it is a BS question.

Is it this?: https://answersingenesis.org/what-is-sci...s-science/

And our friend here keeps dodging all the nasty life that is out there like bacteria and cancer and poisonous insects and snakes and cockroaches. Is he going to also own up to his pet deity also creating those nasty things because those are also made up of DNA.

(August 10, 2017 at 5:52 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I DID YOU IDIOT.

Carbon that makes up carbon based life as individual atoms also exists in non living objects, what separates non life from life are the arrangement of the atoms in that molecule. 

Now again your stupid dodge question is, "How did it go from non life to life"

ALLAH
YAHWEH
Bhrama 
Apollo
Yoda

Pick one, anyone of those would be a great gap answer on par with your gap answer.

The How isn't the question in the context of religion, not yours not any. The How will only be answered by science.

"Everything has to have a creator" is bullshit, because if that is the case the Thor creates lightening. Poseidon creates hurricanes.

OR 

The better bet as to why humans want a creator, isn't that a magic sky wizard exists, but those things are merely projections of human qualities in super hero form.

For someone who doesn't want to talk about God, you sure do spend a lot of time talking about Him.

Your answer:

"Carbon that makes up carbon based life as individual atoms also exists in non living objects, what separates non life from life are the arrangement of the atoms in that molecule."

So what you are saying that the only difference between a lump of coal and a living thing is just the arrangements of atoms in that molecule?

You statement is such simplistic BS that not even a third grader would buy it.

Then you say:

"Then when you have countless combos of molecules they start forming life."

Really? So your answer is yet another statement just begging the question.

Brilliant, Brian.

I wonder...all the other atheists readying Brian's explanation...would you be satisfied with his answers?

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(August 10, 2017 at 6:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote: And our friend here keeps dodging all the nasty life that is out there like bacteria and cancer and poisonous insects and snakes and cockroaches. Is he going to also own up to his pet deity also creating those nasty things because those are also made up of DNA.

How can I be dodging something that I wasn't asked about? And you told me you didn't want me talking about God anyway, so why would I go ahead and do it anyway...Oh...I know...so you can turn around and say..."See I told you you just wanted to put a plug in for God."

Nice try!

(August 10, 2017 at 6:45 pm)rjh4 is back Wrote:

(August 10, 2017 at 5:52 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I DID YOU IDIOT.

Carbon that makes up carbon based life as individual atoms also exists in non living objects, what separates non life from life are the arrangement of the atoms in that molecule. 

Now again your stupid dodge question is, "How did it go from non life to life"

ALLAH
YAHWEH
Bhrama 
Apollo
Yoda

Pick one, anyone of those would be a great gap answer on par with your gap answer.

The How isn't the question in the context of religion, not yours not any. The How will only be answered by science.

"Everything has to have a creator" is bullshit, because if that is the case the Thor creates lightening. Poseidon creates hurricanes.

OR 

The better bet as to why humans want a creator, isn't that a magic sky wizard exists, but those things are merely projections of human qualities in super hero form.

For someone who doesn't want to talk about God, you sure do spend a lot of time talking about Him.

Your answer:

"Carbon that makes up carbon based life as individual atoms also exists in non living objects, what separates non life from life are the arrangement of the atoms in that molecule."

So what you are saying that the only difference between a lump of coal and a living thing is just the arrangements of atoms in that molecule?

You statement is such simplistic BS that not even a third grader would buy it.

Then you say:

"Then when you have countless combos of molecules they start forming life."

Really? So your answer is yet another statement just begging the question.

Brilliant, Brian.

I wonder...all the other atheists readying Brian's explanation...would you be satisfied with his answers?

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(August 10, 2017 at 6:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote: And our friend here keeps dodging all the nasty life that is out there like bacteria and cancer and poisonous insects and snakes and cockroaches. Is he going to also own up to his pet deity also creating those nasty things because those are also made up of DNA.

How can I be dodging something that I wasn't asked about? And you told me you didn't want me talking about God anyway, so why would I go ahead and do it anyway...Oh...I know...so you can turn around and say..."See I told you you just wanted to put a plug in for God."

Nice try!

I would love nothing more than to never have to talk about your God or any for that matter, the problem is people DO make those claims and in doing so bastardize science and facts in the process, but again, you are stupid if you think I simply debate Christians. 

Your avatar where it says "Religious Views" says "Christian". So what? I am supposed to assume you are lying and you are Hindu or Buddhist?

I am not the one plugging God, you are. And again, I could care less if you were plugging Allah or Yahweh or Yoda.

The reason I debate this so much is because, especially now in our political climate of science deniers having far too much political power causing problems with denying pollution and climate change, and denial of evolution, yea, I do debate a lot, because I don't want to live in a dumb society. And I don't want ANY religion, not just yours, fucking up the only home I have, OUR PLANET.

(August 10, 2017 at 6:57 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I would love nothing more than to never have to talk about your God or any for that matter, the problem is people DO make those claims and in doing so bastardize science and facts in the process, but again, you are stupid if you think I simply debate Christians. 

Your avatar where it says "Religious Views" says "Christian". So what? I am supposed to assume you are lying and you are Hindu or Buddhist?

I am not the one plugging God, you are. And again, I could care less if you were plugging Allah or Yahweh or Yoda.

The reason I debate this so much is because, especially now in our political climate of science deniers having far too much political power causing problems with denying pollution and climate change, and denial of evolution, yea, I do debate a lot, because I don't want to live in a dumb society. And I don't want ANY religion, not just yours, fucking up the only home I have, OUR PLANET.

Once again...you say you want to not talk about God...and yet that is what you talk about.

Are you saying that the only thing a Christian can talk about is God? Give me a little more credit than that. Brian...why don't you try this. For purposes of talking with me and answering my questions, just consider me as an atheist. In other words, if I was an atheist asking the question of how life came from non-life, would you answer me the same way as you did?

I'm plugging God? You are the one who keeps bringing it up so much.

Your last paragraph is full of issues.

I am certainly not a science denier, although I might very well not agree with the scenarios provided by all scientists. I would guess you could make the same claim.

Who denies that there is pollution in the world? What do you mean by that?

Climate change!!!! No that is an interesting one. I noticed how in the last few years the terms have changed.  It used to be called "global warming" and now it is "climate change". Who could possibly deny that there is climate change? I certainly wouldn't. For example, back in the 70's I remember magazines talking about the possibility of a new ice age as the temperatures were so low. Then, watch out for global warming. Maybe the climate just naturally goes through cycles and human activity has little or nothing to do with it.  You must know there are scientists on both sides of this issue.

Deniers of Evolution. Now if you are talking about "common descent", then I would fall into that category. But here is my question to you. How in the world could my position on evolution affect anything? Even if the entire world denied evolution, how would it really change the world? Would all progress in science all of a sudden cease? Would we lose the possibility of an IPhone 153? What do you think would happen that would be so bad? If it is just that you consider that dumb and don't want to live in a dumb society, you could always start an atheist commune.

Lastly, you do not have to keep telling me that about religion. I get it.  I really do.

(August 10, 2017 at 5:44 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090513/f...9.471.html

I did read the article, Mr. Agenda. Quite interesting. Thanks.

Brian, I recommend the article to you for reading. The statements in the last two paragraphs seem pertinent to some of the issues we have been discussing.

(August 10, 2017 at 3:46 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(August 10, 2017 at 2:09 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  I'm not like some of the childish atheist here, I do not throw tantrums, that's the response of the gang. 

GC

You sure? Becuase it's precisely what you're doing.

I digress, Anything else you'd like to mention as you lay on your fainting couch and recall all the mean ol oppression your getting? 

 I'm not oppressed.

GC

(August 10, 2017 at 8:43 pm)rjh4 is back Wrote:

(August 10, 2017 at 6:57 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I would love nothing more than to never have to talk about your God or any for that matter, the problem is people DO make those claims and in doing so bastardize science and facts in the process, but again, you are stupid if you think I simply debate Christians. 

Your avatar where it says "Religious Views" says "Christian". So what? I am supposed to assume you are lying and you are Hindu or Buddhist?

I am not the one plugging God, you are. And again, I could care less if you were plugging Allah or Yahweh or Yoda.

The reason I debate this so much is because, especially now in our political climate of science deniers having far too much political power causing problems with denying pollution and climate change, and denial of evolution, yea, I do debate a lot, because I don't want to live in a dumb society. And I don't want ANY religion, not just yours, fucking up the only home I have, OUR PLANET.

Once again...you say you want to not talk about God...and yet that is what you talk about.

Are you saying that the only thing a Christian can talk about is God? Give me a little more credit than that. Brian...why don't you try this. For purposes of talking with me and answering my questions, just consider me as an atheist. In other words, if I was an atheist asking the question of how life came from non-life, would you answer me the same way as you did?

I'm plugging God? You are the one who keeps bringing it up so much.

Your last paragraph is full of issues.

I am certainly not a science denier, although I might very well not agree with the scenarios provided by all scientists. I would guess you could make the same claim.

Who denies that there is pollution in the world? What do you mean by that?

Climate change!!!! No that is an interesting one. I noticed how in the last few years the terms have changed.  It used to be called "global warming" and now it is "climate change". Who could possibly deny that there is climate change? I certainly wouldn't. For example, back in the 70's I remember magazines talking about the possibility of a new ice age as the temperatures were so low. Then, watch out for global warming. Maybe the climate just naturally goes through cycles and human activity has little or nothing to do with it.  You must know there are scientists on both sides of this issue.

Deniers of Evolution. Now if you are talking about "common descent", then I would fall into that category. But here is my question to you. How in the world could my position on evolution affect anything? Even if the entire world denied evolution, how would it really change the world? Would all progress in science all of a sudden cease? Would we lose the possibility of an IPhone 153? What do you think would happen that would be so bad? If it is just that you consider that dumb and don't want to live in a dumb society, you could always start an atheist commune.

Lastly, you do not have to keep telling me that about religion. I get it.  I really do.

(August 10, 2017 at 11:56 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 10, 2017 at 3:46 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: You sure? Becuase it's precisely what you're doing.

I digress, Anything else you'd like to mention as you lay on your fainting couch and recall all the mean ol oppression your getting? 

 I'm not oppressed.

GC

 Oh, so the folks here are not actually ganging up on you then? Well, that's good news.

(August 10, 2017 at 11:40 pm)rjh4 is back Wrote:

(August 10, 2017 at 5:44 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090513/f...9.471.html

I did read the article, Mr. Agenda. Quite interesting. Thanks.

Brian, I recommend the article to you for reading. The statements in the last two paragraphs seem pertinent to some of the issues we have been discussing.

I could give a shit less, I accept ALL of evolution not parts of it, and I am NOT trying to plug in a magic sky hero in as the cause. 

Mister Agenda did not post that for me, he posted it for idiotic ID advocates who stupidly try to debunk evolution.

Just grow up and stop trying to debunk even one shred of evolution. I am sorry someone sold you that old book of mythology, but again, that is your baggage not ours.

That was then, this is now. Your magic superman is not needed to explain why life occurred on our planet.

Evolution is as much fact as gravity. Put your mental toys away and get with the modern times.

(August 10, 2017 at 6:09 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Is it this?: https://answersingenesis.org/what-is-sci...s-science/

I looked at this some today. Did you read this yourself? If so, I wonder what you think of it. What do you agree with and what do you not agree with?

Let's take the article Mr. Agenda provided.

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090513/f...9.471.html

Is that historical science?

I would say so.  What about you? Seems like even the answers in genesis folks would.

(August 10, 2017 at 11:56 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 10, 2017 at 3:46 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: You sure? Becuase it's precisely what you're doing.

I digress, Anything else you'd like to mention as you lay on your fainting couch and recall all the mean ol oppression your getting? 

 I'm not oppressed.

GC

NO you are not. Nobody here wants any theist arrested or murdered. Yes theists claims annoy us. Yes, theists claims that infect science and politics irritate us. But no, you are not oppressed.

There are theists who are. Koptic and Kurish Chrisitans, Sunnis living under Shiites, Shiites living under Sunnis, LGBT and and atheists living in parts of theocracies, THEY are oppressed. 

Theists living in the west merely being told they got it wrong, or "bullshit" only makes us blunt, not tyrants.

WE DONT WANT THEISTS DEAD, we would like it if theists would actually think for themselves instead of blindly swallowing old mythology. 

We are not going to eat your babies or barbecue your kittens.