(August 13, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(August 13, 2017 at 1:08 pm)johan Wrote: So you're honestly saying that most of those who fought for the south were absolutely against slavery, but as much as they were against slavery, they were even more against those no good rotten god damned assholes from the North who had the nerve to come to their state in an effort to end the slavery they were actually against in the first place. Is that what you're saying? Because that sure sounds like that's what you're saying.

No.  I doubt very many Confederate soldiers were against slavery at all.  I'm saying, and their own diaries state, that slavery isn't the reason very many of them fought against the invading Union soldiers. 

You mean the diaries they wrote after they lost a war against slavery and slavery was then considered a bad thing? You mean those diaries? Written then? When the war was lost and you could therefore be considered scum for endorsing slavery? You're saying lots of soldiers at that particular time didn't feel so good about writing that they fought to keep slavery alive and preferred to cite different reasons for fighting the war they'd just lost? Shocking.

(August 13, 2017 at 6:54 pm)bennyboy Wrote: As far as I'm concerned, the statues SHOULD stay up.  Just because the South had the wrong view on slavery doesn't mean that great men weren't great men, or that they weren't an important part of American history.

So is King George III, but you don't see statues of him.  Funny how that works isn't it?

Most of these people, the nazi's and counter protesters are just entitled dipshits. You can see it in their behavior whenever they get maced. Or the way they toss shit at eachother and then scurry back to their side. It's like two boxers who don't like getting punched.

I think there's an expectation among all of them, that nobody is really going to be hurt too badly. But there are some really dangerous people out there. And they are going to start showing up to these things and murdering lots of folks.

Punching the white nationalist polo shirt wearing pedostache nazi's is funny to watch. But it seems inevitable that some of the American History X types are going to show up eventually, and we're going to see a lot more attempted mass murder.

(August 13, 2017 at 7:12 pm)johan Wrote: You mean the diaries they wrote after they lost a war against slavery and slavery was then considered a bad thing? You mean those diaries? Written then? When the war was lost and you could therefore be considered scum for endorsing slavery? You're saying lots of soldiers at that particular time didn't feel so good about writing that they fought to keep slavery alive and preferred to cite different reasons for fighting the war they'd just lost? Shocking.

No, diaries they kept during the war.  Do you know how diaries work?

(August 13, 2017 at 3:32 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: I'm going to confront AT on his public comments in this thread.

AT, Literal Nazis and White Supremecists pull off an ISIS-style attack using a car and you're citing BLM?

Wait - what? You really think an actual vehicular terrorist attack common in places like Mosul are comparable to riots in Berkeley?

Who is lying cold and dead in Virginia? Heather Heyer. She was crossing the street at the time of her death. Who killed her? A neo Nazi who accelerated to 40mph into a crowd of people from far away.

Who is lying dead in Berkeley? No one.

Look at her face and the face of her killer:
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/fffRg

Did you even read the Black Lives Matter manifesto? So you honestly see "Stop murdering us! Quit disproportionately killing us! Stop treating us as criminals and trash!" as equal to actual Nazis and the millions of their murdered victims?

Stop. Stop right now and think of what you just did. Stop before you find yourself firmly in the Nazi camp.

Unless this is precisely what you want? To apologize and defend actual honest-to-god neo Nazis and White Supremacists?

Go ahead. Confront away. First off, no where did I say that the Charlottesville riots by white supremacists was in any way justified. It's as you suggest, they're domestic terrorists and the guy who ran his car into a crowd of protestors, killing one and injuring 19 others is not only a homegrown terrorist but is in fact a murderer as well. If they have the death penalty in Virginia, he should get it.
As far as BLM they're far from being a peaceful group. Especially when news footage and other videos show their protests with chants of, "What do we want? Dead Cops!" and, "Pigs in a blanket fry'em like bacon!". In the wake of those protests they've stirred up a hostile environment against police officers where some have been targeted and murdered. So, however peaceful BLM claims to be, actual video footage shows otherwise.
As far as nobody dying in the Berkeley riots, good thing nobody was in the buildings or cars they torched, huh.

Wasn't Black Lives Matter just awarded the 2017 global peace prize? You are only picking protests where violence occurred and ignoring the work that the movement does globally.

(August 13, 2017 at 7:52 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Wasn't Black Lives Matter just awarded the 2017 global peace prize?

Good Lord. Unbelievable. Hmm. So I'm only picking their violent protests and not their peaceful ones. Will the real Black Lives Matter please stand up.

This song reflects some of the attitudes of the confederacy c June 1861, the last historical event mentioned was the secession of Tennessee which happened on June 8.  Note that there is no mention of First Manassas which occurred on July 21, 1861 and would certainly have merited a verse or two had it happened when this version was written.  These were performance pieces of course as there was no recording at the time.  The battle cry is "southern rights" which could mean whatever one wanted it to mean, I suppose.  But they don't talk about slavery or blacks at all.






On the other side of the Mason-Dixon line the Northerners were singing this little ditty which can be dated to sometime between May, 1861 and May, 1863 by its reference to the confederate Stars and Bars flag which was in use at that time.  Judging by the trumpeting of "10,000 volunteers" it is probably closer to the beginning of that period than the end as the Union had gotten its ass kicked several times prior to May, 1863 and the enthusiasm for the war was definitely on a downward spiral.

Note that even here, the northerners do not talk of slavery or blacks but merely crushing the rebellion and preserving the union.







The first tune is a lot catchier.  The north was definitely behind in the musical department.

(August 13, 2017 at 7:57 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(August 13, 2017 at 7:52 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Wasn't Black Lives Matter just awarded the 2017 global peace prize?

Good Lord. Unbelievable.

Not really when you look at what the movement is about and the work that they have done, they are clearly not a hate group.

I love when Atheist brings up berkely while ignoring the fact a group of Nazi sympathizers invited  Milo and missing the part where Milo supporters had weapons and antagonized the protesters. And that many were armed . This isn't a case of a group of people angry about a speaker this was about a group liked to hate groups legitimizing a hate monger . In a educational institution a place such garbage has no place.


As for BLM they have done more good then bad and they do have official sites none of which preach cop killing .
http://blacklivesmatterto.ca/

Yup so much cop killing