(August 16, 2017 at 11:02 am)Brian37 Wrote: FUCK YOU.......

This is just pure ignorant nonsense. Do you think if there were still statues of Goebbles and Rommel and Hitler in today's Germany Jews would go, "Oh well, leave the statues up because it is part of German history". No? That is how blacks feel about statues of men who wanted to keep slavery.

Those who do not understand or know history are doomed to repeat it.

Well 1, the civil war was not fought over freeing the slaves. I can produce a link to a letter where Lincoln Pleads with Jefferson Davis to end this fighting in 100 days or He will in fact free all slaves which Lincoln hope would cause riots in the menless homes of the southern soldiers. Gotta remember only the abolitionist wanted to free the slaves. Lincoln was NOT an abolitionist. That is why he waited till the point where the north was going to loose the war before the slaves were freed. Before then he hesitated because many in the north did not want freed slaves. the only way he was permitted to free the slaves was to send them all back to Africa, or use them to colonize the Caribbean and central/south America.

Lincoln in his letter admitted not caring one way or the other about the fate of the slaves, that he would see them bound for 1000 years if it meant this war be over, or he would see them freed if again the war could end. The south refused and Lincoln relented and freed the slaves because he need the warm bodies to fill out blue uniforms and to cause a war on two fronts. one with grant headed south and the slaves revolting at Home. it worked. If lincoln was allowed to live he would have had to make good on his promises to shipp all black slaves out of the country. Yet we do see him as a great american hero do we not? If you do not believe me look up the origins of Liberia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-to-Africa_movement. It was the Start (by lincoln) to send slaves back to Africa.

The Whole war was fought because Slaves were not going to be allowed west of the Mississippi. The North was being swamped by 'white immigrants' and the idea was to ship them west to settle out there farm and make a living filling out the land.. But south white democrats decided that they were simply going to expand their plantations west which would put the home steaders out of business. (This Influx of Whites is also the reason many did not want freed slaves in the north and subsequently why the idea was to ship them back to africa.)

And yet we have monuments to these guys. No more tolerance to black people, and a southern white man would have to chattel just on the right side of pop culture's retelling of history...

This would make an honest man then ask if the North was not out to protect the black man from southern white farmers then what was the role of the confederacy?

In the beginning our founding fathers envisioned 13 nation states independent from one another free to do what the people of that region willed to do. Which is why they Gave the federal government such a small roll. (meaning to come together to defend the colonys and to provide and establish commerse between states and other nations) Jefferson Davis wanted to keep this minimalist government Lincoln represented centralized more powerful government where the federal mandates trumped what people wanted on a state level.

Much like now, most people lived in cities meaning very few states held the majority of the voting power. The southern state felt like you douche bags who don't know or understand histroy feel when trump got elected. but imagine 20 years of loosing every vote every election.. You a-holes loose one election and the state of Ca wants to suceed.

Quote:No sorry if you know and accept slavery as being wrong, you do not get to equate those fighting bigotry as being the same as bigots.

And here is point 2. If you support anti protestors who bring clubs and shield inmass to strike unarmed "bigots"... Then truly who is the bigot?

Not everyone there was a bigot. there are alot of history buff that also support the preservation of historical monuments because it is important to remember history the way it was and not the way it wants to be. Those people had their permits and the right to be there as per our right to free speech and protest.

Meanwhile in the socialist camp, intolerant people armed themselves to literally attack unarmed protesters... Let's stop there and define the word bigot:big·ot
/ˈbiɡət/

noun

1. a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions:

So how much more intolerance can one have than to cause physical harm to another? Remember it was the radical left who came armed with clubs and shields. (literally walking in the foot steps of the confederacy and ironically completely oblivious to it. history repeating itself. because you dumb asses make up your own history about the north ans south and ignore what has been documented)

Quote:The counter protesters were not bringing firearms to the rally, the Nazi supporters and KKK MEMBERS DID!

Bwahahaha... hey retard how many people were shot??? Nun, mo-Ron. The nazi guys simply told their people do whatever you have to do to defend yourself. bring whatever you have to bring to defend yourself.
https://www.propublica.org/article/polic...ottesville

Quote:Your vile ignorance would be the same as saying, "Don't invade France because the Nazis have a story to tell too."

You are either on the right side of history or you are not. Pull you fucking head out of your ass.

God I hate people who shit on history and then have the never to pretend they know anything they pretend to know.

The reason keeping reminders of the confederacy around are three fold. 1) so as to not villify americans who do not think or feel as we do. that it is ok for some to have differing opinions about how thy should live life and we should live in a large enough place to allow that to happen.

2) the greater/majority should not force choke the minority on their self righteousness or values or we could cause another great divide or rift in the fabric of this nation

3) the most import reason we should keep our monuments is because no matter which side of the conflict these men all died american heros... not the bullshit meaning of the word where everyone who's job is to know to work a fire extinguisher is a hero, but battle tested fought and died hero defending these united states no matter which side of the conflict they were on, because like it or not without that conflict we would not be who we are today. with out these monuments we will all to quickly forget who we are and where we comfrom leaving us open to become that in which we 'have no tolerance for.'

If you can see these confederates as being american Hero's for fight for the constitution and what they believed it's meaning was... then you are already showing the level of intolerance and self righteousness that had us fight each other to begin with. And if you are there it is because you did not learn the lesson these heros fought and died to provide you.

(August 16, 2017 at 4:30 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I didn't say it was acceptable, just that you should get used to it.  You don;t really think that, after having been successfully subjected to a Trump..that he'll be the last of his kind?  

You can't talk these idiots down or shame them into decency.  You think that you're being severe, unapologetic...but they're laughing at you.

No sorry, it is no different than climate change, "get used to it" and "the new normal" is boiling the lobster slowly. 

Yea, I am sure Hitler laughed at his dissenters too. 

No sorry, this cannot be accepted as the political "new normal" just because it is in a bad climate now.

Argue tactics and what you think might work sure, but no, current does not mean "get used to it".


How about this if you want to argue.....

"I think it would be better if we approached them with this."

Not, "get used to it".

Start there then we can talk.

(August 16, 2017 at 11:54 am)Sterben Wrote:

(August 16, 2017 at 11:02 am)Brian37 Wrote: FUCK YOU.......

This is just pure ignorant nonsense. Do you think if there were still statues of Goebbles and Rommel and Hitler in today's Germany Jews would go, "Oh well, leave the statues up because it is part of German history". No? That is how blacks feel about statues of men who wanted to keep slavery.

No sorry if you know and accept slavery as being wrong, you do not get to equate those fighting bigotry as being the same as bigots.

The counter protesters were not bringing firearms to the rally, the Nazi supporters and KKK MEMBERS DID!

Your vile ignorance would be the same as saying, "Don't invade France because the Nazis have a story to tell too."

You are either on the right side of history or you are not. Pull you fucking head out of your ass.

         As soon as you bring a weapon to a rally your intentions are clear that all you want is war. If you don't have the courage to fight without one, your just as bad a Trump supporter. If you are to stupid to fight a social issue without a firearm, you need to stay home and let the adults in the room handle it. Armed conflict has always been last resort option, now if they do want to repair themselves and their group reputations(if your able to find any silver lining in supporting a racist movement) It would start with a public apologizes and some lines about condemning the actions that some of your groups undertook upon others who opposed them.

        It's called history for a reason, that it stays in the past and we learn from the mistakes that were committed. It should not be celebrated out of pride, it should be be removed from the public eye, and kept in the history books and museums. These symbols were not meant to be on display in front of government buildings.

       Let's put an end this fucking circus already and go back to hating each other for the right reasons. There is no need to kill each other for over issues that is pointless to carry on about. Wake the fuck up and stop feeding the media frenzy, if you are a person who believes what the neo-nazis or the KKK is offering, I don't feel sorry for you. I do have one thing to say, keep it to yourself and stop bothering others with it. You don't see rational minded people knocking on your door to bother you with pointless nonsense.

       If you think I'm attacking freedom of speech you would be wrong, I support freedom of speech without censorship to fullest extent. We can all coexist without the need for violence. All their doing is pushing a armed culture proxy war. If your that dedicated to a cause, invite the opposing side to a empty place and kill each other there. Bring all the trucks,cars  and weapons you like, Please leave the people who have no involvement out of it.

hey, retard vol.2

How many people were shot at this rally???? Think for yourself moron, if no one was shot how many times was a gun discharged??? google it... 0 times both accounts. now how many head injuries? 30+ why? bad people on both sides bought club shield mace to hurt people who do not think the way they do.

That is bigotry, not what you think about a statue or what you think about white or black people. bigotry is bring a club to smash someone's head in because they do not think the same way about something you do.. Does not matter what that something is, it's your wicked heart that justifies you bring a bat to a protest.

Again doesn't matter which side of the protest you are on. You are evil for bring the bat, shield, helmet, mace, and tazer to a protest you feel strongly about.

Remember the whole free speech thing? it's not just to protect popular speech. It's primary purpose is to protect anti government unpopular speech. Why?? because our forefather's knew what an unhappy minority would do if left unchecked long enough

You're right, Drich, none of the nazis had the clarity of purpose required to pull the trigger on their firearms -not even to save fellow americans from nazis......., but at least one of them found it deep within his cockles to run some people over with the car that mommy cosigned for.

They're embarrassing..even for nazis; just as you're embarrassing, even for a dipshit.

(August 16, 2017 at 4:53 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 16, 2017 at 11:54 am)Sterben Wrote:          As soon as you bring a weapon to a rally your intentions are clear that all you want is war. If you don't have the courage to fight without one, your just as bad a Trump supporter. If you are to stupid to fight a social issue without a firearm, you need to stay home and let the adults in the room handle it. Armed conflict has always been last resort option, now if they do want to repair themselves and their group reputations(if your able to find any silver lining in supporting a racist movement) It would start with a public apologizes and some lines about condemning the actions that some of your groups undertook upon others who opposed them.

        It's called history for a reason, that it stays in the past and we learn from the mistakes that were committed. It should not be celebrated out of pride, it should be be removed from the public eye, and kept in the history books and museums. These symbols were not meant to be on display in front of government buildings.

       Let's put an end this fucking circus already and go back to hating each other for the right reasons. There is no need to kill each other for over issues that is pointless to carry on about. Wake the fuck up and stop feeding the media frenzy, if you are a person who believes what the neo-nazis or the KKK is offering, I don't feel sorry for you. I do have one thing to say, keep it to yourself and stop bothering others with it. You don't see rational minded people knocking on your door to bother you with pointless nonsense.

       If you think I'm attacking freedom of speech you would be wrong, I support freedom of speech without censorship to fullest extent. We can all coexist without the need for violence. All their doing is pushing a armed culture proxy war. If your that dedicated to a cause, invite the opposing side to a empty place and kill each other there. Bring all the trucks,cars  and weapons you like, Please leave the people who have no involvement out of it.

hey, retard vol.2

How many people were shot at this rally???? Think for yourself moron, if no one was shot how many times was a gun discharged??? google it... 0 times both accounts. now how many head injuries? 30+ why? bad people on both sides bought club shield mace to hurt people who do not think the way they do.

That is bigotry, not what you think about a statue or what you think about white or black people. bigotry is bring a club to smash someone's head in because they do not think the same way about something you do.. Does not matter what that something is, it's your wicked heart that justifies you bring a bat to a protest.

Again doesn't matter which side of the protest you are on. You are evil for bring the bat, shield, helmet, mace, and tazer to a protest you feel strongly about.

Remember the whole free speech thing? it's not just to protect popular speech. It's primary purpose is to protect anti government unpopular speech. Why?? because our forefather's knew what an unhappy minority would do if left unchecked long enough

Fuck you idiot. The Sack Patriots who held the nature reserve hostage, while equally as much ass assholes, at least they were more consistent.

Why the fuck show up with firearms if you truly feel your opposition is a threat to you? You are a half ass bigot. Seriously, you hate the same people as ISIS, but when they make claims about whom they hate they back it up. Isis hates gays and liberals too. 

Our founders knew you could should not have tyranny of the majority, so that means white people have been oppressed most of our history? Yea, do yourself a favor and lay off the crack pipe.

I do agree whites are unhappy but they are not the minority. 

If you want to know what oppression is, ask a Koptic or Kurdish Christian. They live in fear. The only fear you live in is being called out on your bullshit.

At what point do people other than the wingnut traitors get fed up with this shit and take the sexy back?  Yall better call motherfuckin Justin - if you want to rein this shit in before it hits the rocks.  These motherfuckers are branding strong armed patriotism as right wing white nationalism.........

(August 16, 2017 at 12:06 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Americans live in a bubble. They think they're the greatest country in the world but everybody knows all the fat bastards were ever good for were for their money. Even black Americans think they're hood because they were born in a poor neighborhood and knows how to throw gang signs, bitch please, get back to me when you have to take a shit in the fucking streets, doesn't get any more hood than that. There are people around the world that would kill to be able to live in your PRISONS.

My favorite is "If you can make it in NYC you can make it anywhere". I mean, what retard said that? Sitting in a air conditioned room while having to press a whole 50 times on the keyboard *gasp*. Must be so hard.

The entitled Americanism is coming to an end. Turns out capitalists don't give two flying fucks about patriotism aaaand *gasp* turns out Americans aren't so great after all, most of the entitled, spoilt, cry babies will be replaced by foreigners who are faster, better and smarter in making money because at the end of the day a capitalist country is only loyal to money. The whole pushback is happening precisely because of that and corporate lords are having none of it.

To live in a capitalist state you have to prove your worth by showing how much money you can bring in and now white Americans are crying mommy because it's no longer possible to just inherit millions from their rich white dad and skate through life. No, now they have to compete with a whole diverse group on equal footing and the shit heads are being exposed for the good for nothings they are(and they hate it!! Lmao). The pathetic, entitled, lazy, neck beards are now crying to daddy state to keep on pampering them no matter how useless they are because..."this is America", "buh buh buh muh patriotism" or smthg. No matter how good you are with something know that there will always be a 12 year old non white kid that'll be better and do it for 10x times less money. Loving the whole shit show. Get rekt assholes.

sounds like some body Jelly...

boo hoo poor who gives a squirt had it bad and it's America's fault.. get back in line, sew our nikes and be glad you have a job.. otherwise Trump is going to make nike take production back to America.

Oh and since 'english'/western culture is not the same where you are.. what it means to 'make it in NYC' means to be successful... not survive but thrive, to accomplish the american dream, to become rich beyond your country's current GDP in NYC means you can set up shop anywhere in the world and be equally if not more successful.

Why? because unlike in your country where everyone looks like an inbreed version of yourself there is much diversity, many many different cultures, and a helluva lot more competition there than the shire hole you grew up in... less your people are doing things backwards than the rest of the world.. Meaning while the rest of the world sends it best and brightest to America to compete with the Americans for top DOLLAR,  your people send it dumbest (leaving the best and brightest at home for you to compete with) That is why if you can make it in NYC (use to be the entrance for immigrants to america) you can make it anywhere.

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(August 16, 2017 at 4:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You're right, Drich, none of the nazis had the clarity of purpose required to pull the trigger on their firearms -not even to save fellow americans from nazis......., but at least one of them found it deep within his cockles to run some people over with the car that mommy cosigned for.

They're embarrassing..even for nazis; just as you're embarrassing, even for a dipshit.

Again a bigot is anyone looking to do harm/not tolerant to anyone who does not think as they do.

BOTH SIDES of the street that day was filled with bigots.

Oh, boy. A debate between Drippy and Pool. Look out everybody; a shit-laden chess board is about to go flying past your heads. 🙄

If you are depending on statues to teach you history, then you are sorely missing out on everything. Maybe try a book. There's more than one now, you know.

Quote: BOTH SIDES of the street that day was filled with bigots.

You know what, fucktard.  I'm PROUD to be bigoted against bigots.  Consider yourself on the top of the list.