Yaweh is relatively very very young.
Mankind had invented many many many God concepts before Yaweh.
What makes Yaweh so special?

Geographical origin point.

(August 24, 2017 at 12:56 am)Astonished Wrote: Geographical origin point.

Good point, good point.

Apostle Paul was receptive enough with crowds of his era to see what put more in the collection plate. He wasn't afraid to re-write, contradict, or revise his supposed source of all things religious, some other wise obscure apocalyptic Judaism fan(atic). And mindful of what he could see was and was not working with the crowds he drew, by trial and error he kludged up something that he could sell.

And the die was cast at that point . . . .

(August 24, 2017 at 1:09 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Apostle Paul was receptive enough with crowds of his era to see what put more in the collection plate. He wasn't  afraid to re-write, contradict, or revise his supposed source of all things religious, some other wise obscure apocalyptic Judaism fan(atic). And mindful of what he could see was and was not working with the crowds he drew, by trial and error he kludged up something that he could sell.

And the die was cast at that point . . . .

what did paul rewrite?

That part of the world was ready for a super hero.

Also the Israel did not consolidate into a religion until Moses received the law After the exodus (2nd dynasty 2650bc) But the sons of Abraham were still worshiping God well before which puts us at or before the beginning of the 2nd dynasty. 2800 to 3000, and if you consider that before abraham there was noah, Seth Adam we can go back to 5or 6000bc. If you consider the time adam spent in the Garden worship God you can go back all the way till the 3 or 4th day of creation 100 bazillion years ago. (or fill in the blank to whatever number "science" now uses.

There is absolutely nothing special about any religion or any god claim. Our species was around long before any written religion. Our planet was around long before humans. Our universe will be here long after our planet dies and we go extinct.

Now here is where the theist stupidly acts like a brat and falsely claims bigotry.

Huge difference between protecting human rights, and pointing out to your fellow human that they got it wrong.

It is childish and absurd to get angry at those who point out, "That was then, REGARDING ALL RELIGIONS, and this is now. It was understandable when humans didn't know any better, that they gap filled with bad guesses, but we know better now."

There certainly are decent human beings as individuals in ALL RELIGIONS. And followers of every religion can and do point to their kind motifs and kind figures. That does not say to me that our species morality was handed down to us magically by a divine source. That says to me that our morality was always in our genes.

So no, Christianity is not special, neither is Jewish or Islam or Hindu or Buddhist. A religious label does not have any magic power to make the individual only do good. Every nation friend and foe alike, have hospitals and prisons. You are good as an individual, as an individual, nothing more. 

I will always value my fellow human being's POTENTIAL to be good and non violent. I only disagree with theists as to where our species morality is really coming from. But I will ALWAYS value human rights.

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(August 24, 2017 at 8:18 am)Drich Wrote: Also the Israel did not consolidate into a religion until Moses received the law After the exodus (2nd dynasty 2650bc) But the sons of Abraham were still worshiping God well before which puts us at or before the beginning of the 2nd dynasty. 2800 to 3000, and if you consider that before abraham there was noah, Seth Adam we can go back to 5or 6000bc. If you consider the time adam spent in the Garden worship God you can go back all the way till the 3 or 4th day of creation 100 bazillion years ago. (or fill in the blank to whatever number "science" now uses.

Moses is a myth. Sorry someone sold you that myth. That is your baggage not ours.

(August 24, 2017 at 8:18 am)Drich Wrote: Also the Israel did not consolidate into a religion until Moses received the law After the exodus (2nd dynasty 2650bc) But the sons of Abraham were still worshiping God well before which puts us at or before the beginning of the 2nd dynasty. 2800 to 3000, and if you consider that before abraham there was noah, Seth Adam we can go back to 5or 6000bc. If you consider the time adam spent in the Garden worship God you can go back all the way till the 3 or 4th day of creation 100 bazillion years ago. (or fill in the blank to whatever number "science" now uses.

I don't "consider" mythical figures.

From Jesuswordsonly.com, where you can read the rest of the article. And there is no shortage of internet sites pointing out the TRUE words of Jesus and all the manifest and vile heresies of Apostle Paul.


• Jesus Says Not To Eat Meat Sacrificed to Idols, But Paul Says It Is Ok

• Jesus Says The Law Continues, But Paul Says No

• Paul Says The Pharisees Followed The Law Rigorously, But Jesus Says They Were Lax About The Law

• Jesus Says Salvation Initiates And Continues By Repentance From Sin and Obedience Besides Faith; Paul Says This is Heresy

• Jesus Tells Apostles To Teach His Commands Given Prior to His Ascension While In The Flesh, But Paul Says Not To Do So
 
• Paul Says Elders Are Entitled To Pay for 'Preaching & Teaching,' But Jesus Says No

• Jesus Teaches There Are Only 12 Apostles Into Eternity, But Paul Adds Himself To The List As a Thirteenth

• Paul Exhorts Celibacy, But Jesus Clearly Says It is A Choice Not Within Everyone's Power

• Jesus Says There Is One Pastor and Teacher (Himself), But Paul Says There Are Many Pastors and Teachers

• Paul Says God Is The God of the Dead, But Jesus Says God Is Not The God of the Dead

• Paul Says God Does Not Live in Temples Made of Human Hands, But Jesus Says He Does

• Jesus says Nations Of The World Are Under Satan, But Paul Says Their Rulers Are Agents of God

• Jesus Teaches Rapture is Of Evil Ones First, But Paul Teaches The Opposite

• Jesus Says A Call Is Revocable, But Paul Says It Is Irrevocable

• Jesus Says Some Are Righteous, But Paul Says It Is Impossible

• Paul Excludes Eating With Sinners But Christ's Example We Are To Follow, and the Lost Sheep Parable, Is Contrary

• Paul Teaches We Are Eternally Secure, But Jesus Teaches Insecurity to a Sinning Believer

• Paul Teaches In Original Sin But Jesus Contradicts

• Jesus' Command About Calling Anyone Fool Is Violated by Paul

• Paul Denies Obedience Grants Any Righteousness Unto Life, But Jesus Says It Does

• Jesus Sends The Apostles to Baptize, But Paul Says Jesus Did Not Send Him to Baptize

• Jesus Says the Merciful Receive Mercy, But Paul Says Only Those God Chooses Arbitrarily Will Receive Mercy

• Paul Says Salvation Does Not Depend Upon Exertion, But Jesus Says It Does

• Paul Says He Could Be Justified of The Sin that Never Could be Justified under the Law given Moses (Blasphemy), but Jesus says to the contrary that it is The Unpardonable Sin. 

• Paul Says Flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God, but Jesus in Flesh ascended to heaven, and promises to resurrect our bodies to heaven / New Jerusalem, giving us the same physical resurrection that Jesus had.