(September 3, 2017 at 10:00 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 3, 2017 at 6:40 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You think that's typical of Americans?

Not relevant.  It undoubtedly now seem to many more in the world to be more plausibly typical of important and substantial sections of Americans because Americans did, after all, put trump into the whitehouse.

Remember - he did NOT win the popular vote. The majority of us didn't want him there. Stupid electoral college. 

(September 3, 2017 at 8:58 am)Chad32 Wrote: Not sure how it's a bald assertion to think more than a few Americans would think like that. Honestly I don't see NK as a threat. On the off chance they got a working nuke ready, and actually hit California or Alaska with it, they have nothing to follow it up with.

America will go to war with any country if they have valuable resources that they're not sharing with us. NK has mineral wealth. Venezuela has more/bigger oil deposits than Saudi Arabia, which is why Trump is talking about military intervention right now. That is why people say USA is a biggest threat to world peace.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02...31824.html

It's a bald assertion when it's not backed up with hard numbers. It's also called "I heard that shit on the 'net, so it must be true!"

(September 3, 2017 at 10:01 am)Nymphadora Wrote:

(September 3, 2017 at 10:00 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Not relevant.  It undoubtedly now seem to many more in the world to be more plausibly typical of important and substantial sections of Americans because Americans did, after all, put trump into the whitehouse.

Remember - he did NOT win the popular vote. The majority of us didn't want him there. Stupid electoral college. 

It doesn't matter.  Trump has his finger on the nuclear button and all Americans are responsible for what he does. We can hold trump voters responsible, but the world will hold all of us responsible.

A citizen who chooses not to renounce his citizenship can not then still have it both ways and renounce all responsibility for the conduct of his country, even if he voted against its current government.

(September 3, 2017 at 10:15 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 3, 2017 at 10:01 am)Nymphadora Wrote: Remember - he did NOT win the popular vote. The majority of us didn't want him there. Stupid electoral college. 

It doesn't matter.  Trump has his finger on the nuclear button and all Americans are responsible for what he does.   We can hold trump voters responsible, but the world will hold all of us responsible.

It most certainly does matter. I am well aware that he's in office now. But you cannot generalize all Americans as being responsible for what he does. Most countries governments along with their citizens are smart enough to realize that the majority of American citizens didn't want him in office. They can read the news and they can see for themselves that he did NOT win the popular vote. It was a huge sore spot for him. He talked about "the numbers" for months and months after he was already in office. Matter of fact, it's still an obsession for him.

I honestly don't believe the rest of the world holds all Americans responsible for 45's existence in office. In fact, I think it's the opposite. I think the majority of the world sympathizes with those of us who didn't want him there in the first place. Just look at these forums as a good example of that. Many of our overseas members are sympathetic to those of us who have to live in the US now under his dictatorship. 

Quote:A citizen who chooses not to renounce his citizenship can not then still have it both ways and renounce all responsibility for the conduct of his country, even if he voted against its current government.

I don't see why not. I am not personally responsible for putting that disgrace into office, therefore, I do NOT have to assume blame for anything he or his administration does nor do I have to renounce my citizenship to my country simply because I feel this way. The orange shitgibbon is not America. He doesn't stand for the America I love and he doesn't represent the America that I support. Again - he did not win the popular vote so he doesn't even represent the majority of Americans. 

What you're saying, wouldn't be any different than me blaming you for my kids getting bad grades in school. It's blame shifting where there need not be any. You had nothing to do with it, so it's not your fault ergo, I refuse to accept any responsibility for the conduct of 45. He is NOT my president. I didn't put him there and I will not accept any blame for the embarrassment he causes to this country.

(September 3, 2017 at 10:15 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: A citizen who chooses not to renounce his citizenship can not then still have it both ways and renounce all responsibility for the conduct of his country, even if he voted against its current government.

Get the fuck out of here.  This is a completely fucking stupid thing to say.

"RENOUNCE YOUR CITIZENSHIP OR YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES!"

That's just as fucking stupid as what the idiot posted in a comment section in the opening post.

(September 3, 2017 at 10:15 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 3, 2017 at 10:01 am)Nymphadora Wrote: Remember - he did NOT win the popular vote. The majority of us didn't want him there. Stupid electoral college. 

It doesn't matter.  Trump has his finger on the nuclear button and all Americans are responsible for what he does.   We can hold trump voters responsible, but the world will hold all of us responsible.

A citizen who chooses not to renounce his citizenship can not then still have it both ways and renounce all responsibility for the conduct of his country, even if he voted against its current government.

That's just stupid.

(September 3, 2017 at 11:13 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 3, 2017 at 10:15 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: It doesn't matter.  Trump has his finger on the nuclear button and all Americans are responsible for what he does.   We can hold trump voters responsible, but the world will hold all of us responsible.

A citizen who chooses not to renounce his citizenship can not then still have it both ways and renounce all responsibility for the conduct of his country, even if he voted against its current government.

That's just stupid.

Yeah, that would be like if I had no problem with the idea of all North Koreans dying because their leader is a pampered, incompetent, asshat of a leader.

(September 3, 2017 at 11:28 am)Industrial Lad Wrote:

(September 3, 2017 at 11:13 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: That's just stupid.

Yeah, that would be like if I had no problem with the idea of all North Koreans dying because their leader is a pampered, incompetent, asshat of a leader.

There was a baby born at Mercy Hospital about eleven minutes ago. She's to blame for T.rump's antics? I don't think so. Fucking third semester PoliSci students.

(September 3, 2017 at 11:13 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 3, 2017 at 10:15 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: It doesn't matter.  Trump has his finger on the nuclear button and all Americans are responsible for what he does.   We can hold trump voters responsible, but the world will hold all of us responsible.

A citizen who chooses not to renounce his citizenship can not then still have it both ways and renounce all responsibility for the conduct of his country, even if he voted against its current government.

That's just stupid.

Looks like like he needs to learn this very simple lesson:

(September 3, 2017 at 9:02 am)Hammy Wrote: I don't hate America, and I've never hated America.

I hate the cretins who run it and some of the cretins within it. Hating geography seems kinda pointless.

That is all.

I'm not sure what genius said it though. Oh wait it's me!

He needs to stop reifying America. Reify is the word:



Stop. Reifying. America

(September 3, 2017 at 11:10 am)Divinity Wrote:

(September 3, 2017 at 10:15 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: A citizen who chooses not to renounce his citizenship can not then still have it both ways and renounce all responsibility for the conduct of his country, even if he voted against its current government.

Get the fuck out of here.  This is a completely fucking stupid thing to say.

"RENOUNCE YOUR CITIZENSHIP OR YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES!"

That's just as fucking stupid as what the idiot posted in a comment section in the opening post.

And completely heartless on top of being stupid. Some humans live in places where saying boo will get them looked at with suspicion, even within their own families and neighborhoods. This type of attitude leads to police states.