(August 5, 2011 at 1:08 pm)Hannah Wrote: If you don't like my findings as and when I get them then tough! This is my best effort while I run a kid, a shop and a home on my own. No-one's forcing you to look at the thread. Perhaps there are members and visitors who are interested in seeing what I manage to come up with. If you don't like what I'm trying to do then tough! Do your own thing. See if I complain if you don't think exactly as I do.

You're missing the point of a discussion forum.

(August 5, 2011 at 1:08 pm)Hannah Wrote: See if I complain if you don't think exactly as I do.

Isn't that exactly what you're doing?

More evidence for a massive natural disaster in the Jordan Rift Valley...taken from http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=169254 but link to full article is no longer working.

Archeologists claim new location for Sodom and Gomorrah in Jordan

on Saturday, January 26 @ 12:02:28 CST

An international excavation team of archeologists led by Dr. Steven Collins, an expert on Biblical archeology from US Trinity Southwestern University, have claimed finding new evidence proving that the Biblical sites of Sodom and Gomorrah - two cities cited in Bible as "destroyed by God for their sins"- were located in Jordan's Tall al-Hammam in north of the Dead Sea, rather than attributed location in the south of the Dead Sea.

One of the archeologists in the excavation team said, "One of the interesting things about Tall al-Hammam is what we called a MB gap, that is the period of time between the Middle Bronze Age and Iron Age, because in normal locations like this, you have occupations one right on top of the other, but here, something very unique, something very significant took place in the Middle Bronze Age.

The city was destroyed by an event that was so dramatic that it scared everybody away for seven hundred years. Here, in this square, there's the perfect example. You have Iron Age foundations that are built right into a Middle Bronze Age rampart."

Many people located Sodom and Gomorrah towards the south of the Dead Sea but the reason that they choose the north of the Dead Sea is that historically, most ancient people--even scholars of the 19th century chose the northern Dead Sea for Sodom because the Biblical text is very clear about the location.

SANTORINI ERUPTION.....1627 BCE and 1600 BCE with a 95% degree of probability.

(BE AWARE THAT EVIDENCE FOR MY THEORY WILL BE SKANT DUE TO THE FACT MANY RESEARCHERS/ARCHAEOLOGISTS IN THIS FIELD WILL BE CHRISTIANS AND WILL NOT WANT TO RELEASE INFORMATION THAT THREATENS THE RELIGION. IT'S POSSIBLE THIS ARTICLE WAS PULLED DUE TO REALISING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE INFORMATION.)

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'The Ipuwer Papyrus is a single papyrus holding an ancient Egyptian poem. The Ipuwer Papyrus describes Egypt as afflicted by natural disasters and in a state of chaos, a topsy-turvy world where the poor have become rich, and the rich poor, and warfare, famine and death are everywhere. One symptom of this collapse of order is the lament that servants are leaving their servitude and acting rebelliously. The dating of the original composition of the poem is disputed, but several scholars have suggested a date between the late 6th dynasty and the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1850 BCE-1600 BCE)'

Correlation between Exodus and Ipuwar Papyrus...

http://www.angelfire.com/ill/hebrewisrael/ipuwer.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipuwer_Papyrus

The "mission statement" from Trinity Southwest's own web site.

Quote:The mission of Trinity Southwest University is to provide quality higher education to adult learners, teaching them (through a variety of biblically based disciplines) to uphold the divine authority of the Bible as God’s inspired representation of reality to humankind, and equipping them to apply its eternal truths to all phases of life.

They are a bunch of bible-thumping fundamentalist morons and Collins works there. He's been pushing this Sodom and Gomorrah horseshit for a generation.

The simple answer to this tall tale is etiology, defined as:

Quote:An etiological myth is a myth intended to explain a name or create a mythic history for a place or family.

In short, someone spotted a ruined city in their midst and made up a story about how it got that way.



It's also about 620 miles from Santorini to the coast of the Levant plus however far inland you want to go to reach "Sodom and Gomorrah." That's really pushing it.

(August 5, 2011 at 5:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The "mission statement" from Trinity Southwest's own web site.

Quote:The mission of Trinity Southwest University is to provide quality higher education to adult learners, teaching them (through a variety of biblically based disciplines) to uphold the divine authority of the Bible as God’s inspired representation of reality to humankind, and equipping them to apply its eternal truths to all phases of life.

They are a bunch of bible-thumping fundamentalist morons and Collins works there. He's been pushing this Sodom and Gomorrah horseshit for a generation.

The simple answer to this tall tale is etiology, defined as:

Quote:An etiological myth is a myth intended to explain a name or create a mythic history for a place or family.

In short, someone spotted a ruined city in their midst and made up a story about how it got that way.



It's also about 620 miles from Santorini to the coast of the Levant plus however far inland you want to go to reach "Sodom and Gomorrah." That's really pushing it.

If you are discerning enough you can take your evidence from anyone, even a Christian. Like I said, most evidence will be derived from Christian research. Beggers cannot be choosers. Look at all of it and make your evaluation. Be prejudiced and expect to find it impossible to find information, which is maybe the prefered solution for some. Black and white judgements are a luxury this subject cannot aford due to the lack of available information. There is evidence of towns being buried under volcanic ash. I'll look it up soon.

Have you not been reading all my posts? Had you done, you would have known the proposed sites for S&G are in the Jordan Rift Valley, which runs along a major plate rift which contains thirty active volcanoes. There is a very good chance the Santorini eruption was not the only eruption but one of many triggered by a major earthquake. This fits in very well with the Bible quote I found that suggested volcanoes were erupting one after the next....

'He said: "The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.' Deuteronomy 33:2

I don't have all the answers but there is something in all this.

That does not extend to superstitious nonsense. Sorry. The bible is a load of crap written to control primitive people.

Xtians have an agenda - especially that bunch of crazies from Trinity - to try to prove that their bullshit happened exactly as the bible said. Well, reality has fucked them up big time.

Hannah, I am wondering, is this volcano "discussion" the only reason you are here? I'm just curious. It's obviously holding up a long thread and I have no objections. I'm just thinking you are really focused on arguing this thing out and are largely ignoring the rest of the forums, where there are some decent discussions.

(August 5, 2011 at 6:20 pm)Shell B Wrote: Hannah, I am wondering, is this volcano "discussion" the only reason you are here? I'm just curious. It's obviously holding up a long thread and I have no objections. I'm just thinking you are really focused on arguing this thing out and are largely ignoring the rest of the forums, where there are some decent discussions.

I was wanting to research evidence of Jesus tonight but I've been busy with this. Yes, I am focused. This thread covers many areas.

(August 5, 2011 at 6:46 pm)Hannah Wrote: I was wanting to research evidence of Jesus tonight but I've been busy with this. Yes, I am focused. This thread covers many areas.

So, in other words, you're not interested in discussing other things with members here? I'm just a little surprised. You haven't introduced yourself; you haven't talked in any other threads and you are beating this one to death. Why not spread out and get to know the people you are so up in arms against here?

Quote:I was wanting to research evidence of Jesus

By reading the NT?

You can find evidence of Luke Skywalker if all you read is Star Wars.