(September 27, 2017 at 8:32 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 27, 2017 at 8:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: You are a poster child for an extreme version of logical postitivism--a philosophy that have been rejected for almost two generations. It's called scientism:

So says a hopelessly besotted superstitionist eager to defend his superstition from science by any artifice he could grasp.

There is nothing I believe that needs defending from science. To say it another way, science does not conflict with anything I believe.  Your clearly have naive and simplistic views of science and religion that don't stand up to scrutiny very well.

(September 27, 2017 at 8:32 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 27, 2017 at 8:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: You are a poster child for an extreme version of logical postitivism--a philosophy that have been rejected for almost two generations. It's called scientism:

So says a hopelessly besotted superstitionist eager to defend his superstition from science by any artifice he could grasp.

He was given a good arse warming just last week for this scientism shite.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-51134-p...pid1619491

(September 27, 2017 at 10:50 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(September 27, 2017 at 8:32 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: So says a hopelessly besotted superstitionist eager to defend his superstition from science by any artifice he could grasp.

He was given a good arse warming just last week for this scientism shite.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-51134-p...pid1619491

He's had that addressed several times actually:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-51134-p...pid1619420

(September 27, 2017 at 8:15 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 27, 2017 at 7:53 pm)SteveII Wrote: That's absolutely false. Not even close--even if you espouse naturalism. You can study mathematics, logic, philosophy, language, art, aesthetics, morality, human rights, etc--all not science. For crying out loud, science itself relies on a particular philosophy of science to even get off the ground--which is not itself science. CL was right. Science is the study of the natural world. By definition it cannot even comment on the supernatural.

That’s bullshit.  Science studies whether logic is justified by any demonstrably effective application. Without what falls under the preview of science logic is nothing.  Science studies whether particular mode of thinking and reasoning leads to the ends by which these modes are justified.  Without that Philosophy is just masterbation.  Science studies the neurology of appreciation for beauty, that is the ultimate master of aesthetics.  Science assesses whether morality leads to the end by which morality is justified, without this morality is just opinionated assholes opinionating.   Even the ultimate desire that motivates humans in any aspect of their behavior at their most basic level is subject to science.  Science studies what social construct will lead to the desire end, and without this human rights is so much hot air.

Science studies whether any human conceit, be it morality, language, mathematics, logic, philosophy, aesthetics, art, has any validity in the sense of doing even a little bit of that by which it is said to be justified.   And science studies why that conceit arises in the first place at the most fundamental level at which any human thoughts and conceit can be said to form.

If it is there in any sense or reality,  science studies it.

Oh, boys, what garbage I have to hear.

Science, science, science all over the place but you haven't got a tiny idea where science start and when it end.
You don't even know that philosophy lead far far away from the atheistic idea that there is no God.
Science is a journey to discovering the unknown.
Every discovery is science whether it relate to the study of the physical universe, physical body, the mental stratum or the spiritual stratum.

It has no limits.
If you try to create some dogmas by putting limits to science then is clear that your mind is full of dust.
One day in the far future you will discover that there are limits with the physical science so you naturally will have to go over the border of this physical science and enter the arena or dimension of a different science that will take you over the physical limitation but considering that you are still stuck in a form of physical-mental science then it will take a long long time to exit this dogma that science has nothing to do with the discovering of the self.  

(September 27, 2017 at 7:53 pm)SteveII Wrote: Science is the study of the natural world. 

What about Computer Science?

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(September 27, 2017 at 9:19 pm)SteveII Wrote: There is nothing I believe that needs defending from science.

So you don't believe in an eternal afterlife or an eternal god then?

(September 28, 2017 at 9:29 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(September 27, 2017 at 7:53 pm)SteveII Wrote: Science is the study of the natural world. 

What about Computer Science?

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(September 27, 2017 at 9:19 pm)SteveII Wrote: There is nothing I believe that needs defending from science.

So you don't believe in an eternal afterlife or an eternal god then?

Actually I think the bigger problem is what Steve thinks the word "natural" means with respect to the philosophy of science. 

So what is it you think the words "natural" and "nature" mean with respect to the context of science, Steve?

(September 28, 2017 at 9:40 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote: Actually I think the bigger problem is what Steve thinks the word "natural" means with respect to the philosophy of science. 

So what is it you think the words "natural" and "nature" mean with respect to the context of science, Steve?

As exemplified by his use of the word 'supernatural' when referring to what he thinks is real.

(September 28, 2017 at 9:49 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(September 28, 2017 at 9:40 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote: Actually I think the bigger problem is what Steve thinks the word "natural" means with respect to the philosophy of science. 

So what is it you think the words "natural" and "nature" mean with respect to the context of science, Steve?

As exemplified by his use of the word 'supernatural' when referring to what he thinks is real.

Among other things