And what the exact fuck would DNA testing tell us?

(September 28, 2017 at 2:33 am)KiwiNFLFan Wrote: Hi, I am a former Catholic who has by and large rejected the Catholic religion. However, one thing keeps niggling away at me: miracles.

I have never experienced anything supernatural myself, but I have heard stories of various miracles happening in both the Catholic and Orthodox churches. One particular kind of miracle that I have no answer for is Eucharistic miracles - the communion bread starting to bleed, or in rarer cases, the bread and wine actually transforming into physical flesh and blood. One such miracle supposedly happened at Lanciano, Italy, in the 7th century. A priest had doubts about the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and supposedly the bread turned into flesh and the wine turned into blood which coagulated. Scientists have tested the flesh and blood, which remain to this day, and have found it to be real blood and heart tissue. All the Eucharistic miracles that have been tested have been of blood type AB.

How would you answer these phenomena?

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Bolded above. Heard stories, supposedly, etc... is exactly how these things work. If their claiming scientists studied anything, demand the names and dates, they'll come up empty. If they don't, then you can research for yourself whether the claim is for real. Usually when they vaguely state "scientist did something" it's a red flag their trying to steal credibility from the scientific community and that the claim is bullshit.

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(September 28, 2017 at 4:41 pm)Godscreated Wrote: The same miracle happens everyday, it's the miracle of salvation. You nor I need those kind of things you referred to, know why, a miracle by definition is unexplainable. Relying on what the Bible and God teaches us is more important than miracles. Jesus told the Jews and their priest that they wouldn't believe in Him even though they saw the miracles preformed before their eyes. Jesus is the miracle man needs, try a protestant denomination for awhile and see if you can find what you're looking for within yourself.
Welcome and hope you do not give up, God's willing if you are.

GC

Same bullshit, different thread. Evidence, or shut the fuck up, GC.

(September 29, 2017 at 11:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(September 28, 2017 at 5:51 pm)Succubus Wrote: Er, just a cotton pickin minute there. Aren't you the one who constantly reminds us that salvation is a gift freely given? But now, apparently, it requires a miracle? Please synchronise your dogmas.

 It is a miracle, you want to explain how it's done be my guest.

A miracle means anything he wants it to means.

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(September 29, 2017 at 11:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Then smart guy tell me how Jesus was able to raise a man who had been dead for days back to life.

GC

Easy.  He didn't. Can you offer anything close to evidence for this claim?  Outside of the bible, of course.

(September 28, 2017 at 2:33 am)KiwiNFLFan Wrote: Hi, I am a former Catholic who has by and large rejected the Catholic religion. However, one thing keeps niggling away at me: miracles.

I have never experienced anything supernatural myself, but I have heard stories of various miracles happening in both the Catholic and Orthodox churches. One particular kind of miracle that I have no answer for is Eucharistic miracles - the communion bread starting to bleed, or in rarer cases, the bread and wine actually transforming into physical flesh and blood. One such miracle supposedly happened at Lanciano, Italy, in the 7th century. A priest had doubts about the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and supposedly the bread turned into flesh and the wine turned into blood which coagulated. Scientists have tested the flesh and blood, which remain to this day, and have found it to be real blood and heart tissue. All the Eucharistic miracles that have been tested have been of blood type AB.

How would you answer these phenomena?

If you bread ever comes back bloody, just send it back and ask for well done next time. personally i like my Eucharist med rare, but I do know most would eat it well done.

(September 29, 2017 at 11:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(September 28, 2017 at 6:57 pm)Cyberman Wrote: "To the rational mind, nothing is inexplicable; only unexplained". Yet you think you have the explanation.

 Then smart guy tell me how Jesus was able to raise a man who had been dead for days back to life.

GC

When you can tell us how Superman can leap tall buildings in a single bound and melt steel beams with his eyes we'll be on the same page GC.

TL;DR- GC set himself up for easy pickings, and I may have implicated Superman in 9/11.

(October 1, 2017 at 8:21 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(September 28, 2017 at 4:41 pm)Godscreated Wrote: The same miracle happens everyday, it's the miracle of salvation. You nor I need those kind of things you referred to, know why, a miracle by definition is unexplainable. Relying on what the Bible and God teaches us is more important than miracles. Jesus told the Jews and their priest that they wouldn't believe in Him even though they saw the miracles preformed before their eyes. Jesus is the miracle man needs, try a protestant denomination for awhile and see if you can find what you're looking for within yourself.
Welcome and hope you do not give up, God's willing if you are.

GC

Same bullshit, different thread. Evidence, or shut the fuck up, GC.

 You know nothing about Christianity nor the God of it, so it is you who need to shut up, your remarks are callus and uninformed, come back when you have some knowledge of Christianity.

GC

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(October 2, 2017 at 11:57 am)Bob Kelso Wrote:

(September 29, 2017 at 11:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Then smart guy tell me how Jesus was able to raise a man who had been dead for days back to life.

GC

When you can tell us how Superman can leap tall buildings in a single bound and melt steel beams with his eyes we'll be on the same page GC.

TL;DR- GC set himself up for easy pickings, and I may have implicated Superman in 9/11.

 Your implications border on childishness, and Superman is a cartoon character.

GC

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(September 30, 2017 at 10:10 am)Cyberman Wrote:

(September 30, 2017 at 1:03 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Simple I know God and He wouldn't lie to me. He hasn't told me how He did it, so why don't you?

GC

Perhaps I was unclear. I meant what makes you think that it happened at all? How did "God" tell you that it happened?

See, what I'm saying is that maybe "God" wouldn't lie to you, but I'm not talking to "God", am I? I'm talking to you. I'm not saying that you are lying, merely that you're expecting me to comment on a third-hand account of an alleged event based purely on your word.

 The same goes for me with evolution, men dig up fossils and make up stories about something they declare millions of years old and expect me to accept it without question. They were not there and thus have no idea.

GC

(October 3, 2017 at 12:19 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(October 2, 2017 at 11:57 am)Bob Kelso Wrote: When you can tell us how Superman can leap tall buildings in a single bound and melt steel beams with his eyes we'll be on the same page GC.

TL;DR- GC set himself up for easy pickings, and I may have implicated Superman in 9/11.

 Your implications border on childishness, and Superman is a cartoon character.

GC

Good, very good, GC. Now we're on the same page. Superman isn't real, which is why he can do fantastic things in his cartoons and comics that other people can't. So why is it that Jesus is able to do things in his terrible movies and reading material that other people can't?

Cmon, you're almost there buddy. Put it together.

(October 3, 2017 at 12:19 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  The same goes for me with evolution, men dig up fossils and make up stories about something they declare millions of years old and expect me to accept it without question. They were not there and thus have no idea.

GC

But, you see, you're wrong.  No one expects you to accept it without question.  That's religion's mainstay.  Question it all you want, but stick to actual science and scientists.  And leave the bible out of it.

And pay attention to your last sentence.  This applies to you and your bible.  We've been saying the exact same thing to you, and you dismiss it.

(October 3, 2017 at 12:50 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(October 3, 2017 at 12:19 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  The same goes for me with evolution, men dig up fossils and make up stories about something they declare millions of years old and expect me to accept it without question. They were not there and thus have no idea.

GC

But, you see, you're wrong.  No one expects you to accept it without question.  That's religion's mainstay.  Question it all you want, but stick to actual science and scientists.  And leave the bible out of it.

And pay attention to your last sentence.  This applies to you and your bible.  We've been saying the exact same thing to you, and you dismiss it.

Is GC Ken Ham?

"You weren't there you can't know."

Remember that when someone robs your house and there were no witnesses, GC.

(September 30, 2017 at 3:42 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(September 29, 2017 at 11:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote: [quote pid='1627441' dateline='1506635468']

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(September 28, 2017 at 6:57 pm)Cyberman Wrote: "To the rational mind, nothing is inexplicable; only unexplained". Yet you think you have the explanation.

 Then smart guy tell me how Jesus was able to raise a man who had been dead for days back to life.

GC

The same way Harry Potter can fly his broomstick, its called imagination.
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 That's a statement that isn't worth answering, grow up child.

GC