The very reason why we have a debate about whether it is a choice or not, shows, most humans would not have a shadow of a doubt that is evil if free-will is involved.

But is there reason to believe if it is evil if free-will is involved, that free-will cannot be involved in it? Everything shows the opposite, what free-will can possibly do of evil, is possible in our realms of human choice.

This is the reality. If we start saying well some evils are possibly evil if free-will is involved, but free-will cannot touch it. Then I'm sorry, it makes no sense. How do we know what is evil if done by free-will, is through knowledge of good and evil.

And what is possibly evil by free-will, is also possible of free-will to put in place.

The Quran puts in the worst context possible. It shows it in the most ugly possible picture. A society that practically all of them have preferred men over women, that is not natural at all.  

Sure if they remain an unsignificant minority, people can say what harm but Quran shows in a possibility, that society had given in to a over all trend or fad, and had become homosexual. 

It doesn't have to prove that it actually happened to prove it as evil. It just shows it in the possible realms of evil,  these people were being gay because of social pressure and trend to be gay.

So it shows a possible motive for free-will to make it evil.

And perhaps in minorities, there are other factors then that make it free-will but are evil as well.

To make homosexuality the exception to the rule, that it would be evil if free-will is involved, but free-will cannot be possibly involved, is what requires proof. 

Otherwise, what has been stated is clear and this reasoning is clear and sufficient to break the deceptions of secular society and their insincere quest in defining good and evil.

MK, you are one of the religious folks here I normally have a soft spot for but this is absolute CRAP. A society where almost all men become homosexuals because it is a fad??? That's got to be one of the most idiotic things I've heard on this board - and that's really saying something.

Look into your own mind and be honest: Can you flip your sexual preference back and forth like switching between insert and overwrite mode on your keyboard? Not unless you're a freak. That's hardwired. Frankly, I wish there were a lot more homosexuals because then we wouldn't have an overpopulated planet. It's not going to happen though.

Pretty good demonstration of why you're evil, MK.  Clearly has something to do with allah. Good work.

(October 19, 2017 at 7:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The very reason why we have a debate about whether it is a choice or not, shows, most humans would not have a shadow of a doubt that is evil if free-will is involved.

But is there reason to believe if it is evil if free-will is involved, that free-will cannot be involved in it? Everything shows the opposite, what free-will can possibly do of evil, is possible in our realms of human choice.

This is the reality. If we start saying well some evils are possibly evil if free-will is involved, but free-will cannot touch it. Then I'm sorry, it makes no sense. How do we know what is evil if done by free-will, is through knowledge of good and evil.

And what is possibly evil by free-will, is also possible of free-will to put in place.

The Quran puts in the worst context possible. It shows it in the most ugly possible picture. A society that practically all of them have preferred men over women, that is not natural at all.  

Sure if they remain an unsignificant minority, people can say what harm but Quran shows in a possibility, that society had given in to a over all trend or fad, and had become homosexual. 

It doesn't have to prove that it actually happened to prove it as evil. It just shows it in the possible realms of evil,  these people were being gay because of social pressure and trend to be gay.

So it shows a possible motive for free-will to make it evil.

And perhaps in minorities, there are other factors then that make it free-will but are evil as well.

To make homosexuality the exception to the rule, that it would be evil if free-will is involved, but free-will cannot be possibly involved, is what requires proof. 

Otherwise, what has been stated is clear and this reasoning is clear and sufficient to break the deceptions of secular society and their insincere quest in defining good and evil.

^^^Resonant showing that you're a fucking bigot.^^^

(October 19, 2017 at 7:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The very reason why we have a debate about whether it is a choice or not, shows, most humans would not have a shadow of a doubt that is evil if free-will is involved.

But is there reason to believe if it is evil if free-will is involved, that free-will cannot be involved in it? Everything shows the opposite, what free-will can possibly do of evil, is possible in our realms of human choice.

This is the reality. If we start saying well some evils are possibly evil if free-will is involved, but free-will cannot touch it. Then I'm sorry, it makes no sense. How do we know what is evil if done by free-will, is through knowledge of good and evil.

And what is possibly evil by free-will, is also possible of free-will to put in place.

The Quran puts in the worst context possible. It shows it in the most ugly possible picture. A society that practically all of them have preferred men over women, that is not natural at all.  

Sure if they remain an unsignificant minority, people can say what harm but Quran shows in a possibility, that society had given in to a over all trend or fad, and had become homosexual. 

It doesn't have to prove that it actually happened to prove it as evil. It just shows it in the possible realms of evil,  these people were being gay because of social pressure and trend to be gay.

So it shows a possible motive for free-will to make it evil.

And perhaps in minorities, there are other factors then that make it free-will but are evil as well.

To make homosexuality the exception to the rule, that it would be evil if free-will is involved, but free-will cannot be possibly involved, is what requires proof. 

Otherwise, what has been stated is clear and this reasoning is clear and sufficient to break the deceptions of secular society and their insincere quest in defining good and evil.

MK! Quit hiding in your 7th century closet! You know all you homophobes fear their own instincts! Take a walk on the wild side! Doo doo doo do do do doo....

(October 19, 2017 at 7:19 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Pretty good demonstration of why you're evil, MK.  Clearly has something to do with allah.  Good work.

Allah's tough on the fucking camels, though.

(October 19, 2017 at 7:17 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Look into your own mind and be honest: Can you flip your sexual preference back and forth like switching between insert and overwrite mode on your keyboard? 

Obviously is not a simple choice, like "do I choose to eat chocolate or chips or neither today."

The state of belief and disbelief, is also, not an easy switch, but never the less, I know is a choice at the end. 

The choice between good and evil is never, "let me switch to being good" or "let me switch to being evil", it's through a big framework, of which we only scratch the surface of and do not of all the hidden details.

But we know there is a such a choice, even if it is a long processed one.

Khemical said:

Quote:Pretty good demonstration of why you're evil, MK.  Clearly has something to do with allah. 

I am evil but that is not the subject of this thread. And yes my evil has to do with God, it has to do with my rebellion to that Generous loving being.

(October 19, 2017 at 7:02 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: <guff snip>

What in your opinion, should be done with gay Moslem's?

Was someone looking for a definition/example of incel?

This thread title should be changed to "A magic book declaring that we ought to be bigots."