(October 20, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(October 20, 2017 at 6:32 pm)Whateverist Wrote: New rules: all English words shall have but one usage.  

Oh wait, I guess the rules for word usage in English isn't up for grabs.  NM

I still read books.

And I still masturbate.

We're playing the State Pointless Truisms Game, yea?

Go get fucked you deluded imbecile!

/debate

For people that say there is no objective good and evil yet, you guys are so passionate in defining good and evil.

Perhaps it is best really if people leaving defining good and evil for people who actually believe there is a such a thing objectively and in reality. Not just some conceptual relative framework where people just speak their views with no insight or proofs but just their mere desires of what they or their society wants it to be.

(October 20, 2017 at 7:33 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: For people that say there is no objective good and evil yet, you guys are so passionate in defining good and evil.

Perhaps it is best really if people leaving defining good and evil for people who actually believe there is a such a thing objectively and in reality. Not just some conceptual relative framework where people just speak their views with no insight or proofs but just their mere desires of what they or their society wants it to be.

I don't want any bullshit scripture; what is your personal reason for disliking homosexuality?

(October 20, 2017 at 7:33 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: For people that say there is no objective good and evil yet, you guys are so passionate in defining good and evil.

I believe in objective moral truths and I believe that homophobia is objectively evil so suck on that

I guess



I mean . . . I know you want to

(October 20, 2017 at 7:38 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:

(October 20, 2017 at 7:33 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: For people that say there is no objective good and evil yet, you guys are so passionate in defining good and evil.

Perhaps it is best really if people leaving defining good and evil for people who actually believe there is a such a thing objectively and in reality. Not just some conceptual relative framework where people just speak their views with no insight or proofs but just their mere desires of what they or their society wants it to be.

I don't want any bullshit scripture; what is your personal reason for disliking homosexuality?

There are many, but we have to first talk about what it means to be a human...there is two types of humans: "Man" and "Woman", and there are many different types of Men and many different types of women.

First I argue, if free-will is a factor, we all know it would be wrong to give in and change our nature we are originated upon.  This I argue we know. The question is how do we know this?

This is our knowledge of what we are. Aaron has a major definition with his brotherhood and helping position towards Moses.  He is defined with respect to Moses primarily by people.

How do we define ourselves as "Man", we do with respect to "Woman", we cannot ignore what we are to woman and what woman are to us. As far as being man, it is stupid to divorce it from your relationship to women.

Now what is a human and what is his potential. I believe unlike most things, humans are moldy, that is they can mold their nature and make it,  and if it molded in an ugly manner, it can be broken and remolded to a beautiful manner.

We will have our own trials, and will be afflicted with different evil thoughts and different goods thoughts, and have to battle it out.

The actions that are quick and fast, they have little value. What has really value is the constant behaviour, deeds with consistency whence they become habits, and whence the habits become our nature.

Our nature at the end, is the most important thing.

Now listen carefully because all the discussion is to lead to this so as to relate it to homosexuality:

If we are made by passing of winds without out control, storms just forming us, we by definition are forfeiting our power to forge our souls, and giving into winds which are chaotic, we are giving into chaos, and are not firm in ordering our souls to according to guidance. This is exactly why I have intense guilt for my mental illness. It is not different at all from a homosexual giving into winds forming him, rather, then forging forth with reason and insight and holding on the guidance. 

In fact, I would argue my sin is much worse than that of homosexuals, but that is a different topic.

Suffice to say,  I believe disbelief in God or equating value with God or following leaders aside from those that God has chosen, are similar in evil. 

But my evil, giving up rationality and reason, and giving into dark whispers of irrationality whence I lost my sanity despite guides showing a way out, and fearing Satanic forces whence it is only Satan and irrationally that makes us fear them,  was of the deadliest falls, and biggest injustice.

But I can tell you, there is no way to reform yourself, without the first step: responsibility.

And we can see for sure man and woman is a beautiful relationship, even if homo was not ugly, it is much less beautiful then hetero and we are originated to be attracted to what is more upright and more beautiful and honorable, and so the big sin of this would be giving up ones will and letting chaos determine their inclinations and nature.

We forge our nature through will power and insight, give that up, and you become enslaved to darkness and chaos.

(October 20, 2017 at 7:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 20, 2017 at 7:38 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: I don't want any bullshit scripture; what is your personal reason for disliking homosexuality?

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There are many, but we have to first talk about what it means to be a human...there is two types of humans: "Man" and "Woman", and there are many different types of Men and many different types of women.

First I argue, if free-will is a factor, we all know it would be wrong to give in and change our nature we are originated upon.  This I argue we know. The question is how do we know this?

This is our knowledge of what we are. Aaron has a major definition with his brotherhood and helping position towards Moses.  He is defined with respect to Moses primarily by people.

How do we define ourselves as "Man", we do with respect to "Woman", we cannot ignore what we are to woman and what woman are to us. As far as being man, it is stupid to divorce it from your relationship to women.

Now what is a human and what is his potential. I believe unlike most things, humans are moldy, that is they can mold their nature and make it,  and if it molded in an ugly manner, it can be broken and remolded to a beautiful manner.

We will have our own trials, and will be afflicted with different evil thoughts and different goods thoughts, and have to battle it out.

The actions that are quick and fast, they have little value. What has really value is the constant behaviour, deeds with consistency whence they become habits, and whence the habits become our nature.

Our nature at the end, is the most important thing.

Now listen carefully because all the discussion is to lead to this so as to relate it to homosexuality:

If we are made by passing of winds without out control, storms just forming us, we by definition are forfeiting our power to forge our souls, and giving into winds which are chaotic, we are giving into chaos, and are not firm in ordering our souls to according to guidance. This is exactly why I have intense guilt for my mental illness. It is not different at all from a homosexual giving into winds forming him, rather, then forging forth with reason and insight and holding on the guidance. 

In fact, I would argue my sin is much worse than that of homosexuals, but that is a different topic.

Suffice to say,  I believe disbelief in God or equating value with God or following leaders aside from those that God has chosen, are similar in evil. 

But my evil, giving up rationality and reason, and giving into dark whispers of irrationality whence I lost my sanity despite guides showing a way out, and fearing Satanic forces whence it is only Satan and irrationally that makes us fear them,  was of the deadliest falls, and biggest injustice.

But I can tell you, there is no way to reform yourself, without the first step: responsibility.

And we can see for sure man and woman is a beautiful relationship, even if homo was not ugly, it is much less beautiful then hetero and we are originated to be attracted to what is more upright and more beautiful and honorable, and so the big sin of this would be giving up ones will and letting chaos determine their inclinations and nature.

We forge our nature through will power and insight, give that up, and you become enslaved to darkness and chaos.

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In no way did you provide a personal reason for your dislike of homosexuality.

On top of that, you brought god into it; which is part of scripture.

In no way did you give me a proper answer to my question.

(October 20, 2017 at 7:55 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: In no way did you provide a personal reason for your dislike of homosexuality.

I'm sorry, but your denial, will not make the reasons I provided do away with the reasons I provided.

(October 20, 2017 at 7:57 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I'm sorry, but your denial, will not make the reasons I provided do away with the reasons I provided.

Neither will your denial of reality make it bend to your way of thinking.

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(October 20, 2017 at 7:57 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I'm sorry, but your denial, will not make the reasons I provided do away with the reasons I provided.

I want to have a civil discussion with you, but you don't make it easy.

(October 20, 2017 at 7:55 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: In no way did you give me a proper answer to my question.

I did in my view, and so until you show you understood my argument and then say why it is wrong, there is no room to proceed.