(October 26, 2017 at 2:56 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Creationism is utter wank.

I have to disagree strenuously. A wank is actually good for something.

(October 26, 2017 at 3:33 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(October 26, 2017 at 2:56 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Creationism is utter wank.

I have to disagree strenuously.  A wank is actually good for something.

Not in England, we are very repressed.

(October 26, 2017 at 3:33 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(October 26, 2017 at 2:56 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Creationism is utter wank.

I have to disagree strenuously.  A wank is actually good for something.

People are making money off it (Creationism); where there is a market for something, there will be a supply.

(October 25, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 3:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  What books are you speaking of, I find it hard to believe a Christian would steer you away from any part of the Bible, if they did there is something wrong in that particular church.

GC

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They told me to stop reading atheistic books.  Never I have heard that from atheists, namely, that an atheist should stopping reading Christian apologetic books!!

I would have said the same thing, you can't find the solutions to your doubts in atheistic books. Could be that atheist just don't care about you as much as you think, if you were having doubts about being an atheist I sure some here would tell you to stay away from the Bible, seen so here tell new doubting Christian members to stay away from the Bible and then give links to atheist sites.

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(October 25, 2017 at 2:28 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Better educate yourself on what the scriptures teach and then we might be able to have a decent conversation. All that crap you wrote that I deleted from this post will not intimidate me in the least, I'm a biblically educated Christian that knows what's what in the life of a Christian, you are a non-believer that know nothing other than to parrot what others have said, you haven't the fortitude to study the Bible for the truth.

GC

You come across as someone who has been brainwashed.  I want you to know that 30 years ago I acted and sounded just like you, but I got over it.  I hope that you do as well.[/quote]

 I'm not brainwashed and can't be, my personality isn't geared that way, I seek truth because I want to know the truth, no one tells me how or what to believe. God shows me what I need to know but He never shoves it down my throat. One thing you can count on I will not turn my back on the loving God who has Saved me from many things in this life and the next, and i'm hoping that some day you will return to God, we could have a million year discussion in heaven.

GC

GC, you've been brain rinsed.

(October 25, 2017 at 4:18 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: I argue GC comes across as a total, complete and perfect moron.
Possible a poe.

 Frankly the discussions I have with others are none of your business, don't be like others answer what I post to you.

GC

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(October 25, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Evolution isn't test able if it were everyone would know it's true and it's not. Evolutionary science has a problem it's ignored to long, "DNA can not produce any new information,"

The theory of evolution is testable. It has been tested and found to be correct.

Also, mutations increase the information content.

 No it's not you've been fooled and/or brainwashed into think it can be tested and it's only a theory.

 Mutations are a loss of information not a gain, the loss comes from what is already there and it's actually not loss, it's replaced by something else already there. No new info at all, period.

GC

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(October 25, 2017 at 9:52 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 3:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  You are somewhat correct, but I think you have left out part of what Creation science knows. The info in B was never lost in the sense it just left, it is no longer active, it's recessive. So when C is born and looks like A the info became active again, we can see this in dog breeding today. I've breed down unfavorable traits in dogs just to have them pop up again.

You're simply altering the hypothetical in order to avoid the conclusion.  Do you deny that information in the genome can be lost due to mutation?  In no clear sense does the term recessive apply.  Recessive traits can express themselves without a change in the DNA.  This is not at all analogous to the hypothetical given.  The hypothetical given was an example where the information was actually lost.  You're simply choosing not to answer the hypothetical.

To answer the hypothetical then C could never be.

GC

(October 26, 2017 at 7:06 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: GC, you've been brain rinsed.

He needs his brain rinsed.

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(October 26, 2017 at 7:03 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote: They told me to stop reading atheistic books.  Never I have heard that from atheists, namely, that an atheist should stopping reading Christian apologetic books!!

I would have said the same thing, you can't find the solutions to your doubts in atheistic books. Could be that atheist just don't care about you as much as you think, if you were having doubts about being an atheist I sure some here would tell you to stay away from the Bible, seen so here tell new doubting Christian members to stay away from the Bible and then give links to atheist sites.

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(October 25, 2017 at 2:28 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Better educate yourself on what the scriptures teach and then we might be able to have a decent conversation. All that crap you wrote that I deleted from this post will not intimidate me in the least, I'm a biblically educated Christian that knows what's what in the life of a Christian, you are a non-believer that know nothing other than to parrot what others have said, you haven't the fortitude to study the Bible for the truth.

GC

Jehanne Wrote:You come across as someone who has been brainwashed.  I want you to know that 30 years ago I acted and sounded just like you, but I got over it.  I hope that you do as well.

I'm not brainwashed and can't be, my personality isn't geared that way, I seek truth because I want to know the truth, no one tells me how or what to believe. God shows me what I need to know but He never shoves it down my throat. One thing you can count on I will not turn my back on the loving God who has Saved me from many things in this life and the next, and i'm hoping that some day you will return to God, we could have a million year discussion in heaven.

GC

Never, ever, ever, has an atheist told me (or, so far as I know, anyone else!) to "stay away from the Bible"!

In fact, I would recommend to any doubting Christian that they continue to read the Bible.  Even Richard Dawkins reads the Bible, "for Christ's sake".

A "million year discussion"? Sounds like Hell to me!

(October 26, 2017 at 7:03 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 4:03 pm)Jehanne Wrote: They told me to stop reading atheistic books.  Never I have heard that from atheists, namely, that an atheist should stopping reading Christian apologetic books!!

I would have said the same thing, you can't find the solutions to your doubts in atheistic books.

GC
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Sure you can.  It's more honest that having believers make up anything that make you forget the huge logical holes in the system.  You can't see the big picture without getting out of the bubble.

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(October 26, 2017 at 7:06 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 4:18 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: I argue GC comes across as a total, complete and perfect moron.
Possible a poe.

 Frankly the discussions I have with others are none of your business, don't be like others answer what I post to you.

GC

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Unless you are PMing, yes, they are.  YOU came HERE, remember?

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(October 26, 2017 at 7:06 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

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(October 25, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Mathilda Wrote: The theory of evolution is testable. It has been tested and found to be correct.

Also, mutations increase the information content.

 No it's not you've been fooled and/or brainwashed into think it can be tested and it's only a theory.

 Mutations are a loss of information not a gain, the loss comes from what is already there and it's actually not loss, it's replaced by something else already there. No new info at all, period.

GC

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(October 25, 2017 at 9:52 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You're simply altering the hypothetical in order to avoid the conclusion.  Do you deny that information in the genome can be lost due to mutation?  In no clear sense does the term recessive apply.  Recessive traits can express themselves without a change in the DNA.  This is not at all analogous to the hypothetical given.  The hypothetical given was an example where the information was actually lost.  You're simply choosing not to answer the hypothetical.

To answer the hypothetical then C could never be.

GC

Again, you're just showing you don't know what you're talking about and are intentionally ignorant of science.

(October 26, 2017 at 7:06 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 9:52 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You're simply altering the hypothetical in order to avoid the conclusion.  Do you deny that information in the genome can be lost due to mutation?  In no clear sense does the term recessive apply.  Recessive traits can express themselves without a change in the DNA.  This is not at all analogous to the hypothetical given.  The hypothetical given was an example where the information was actually lost.  You're simply choosing not to answer the hypothetical.

To answer the hypothetical then C could never be.

And what's going to stop it?

Typical of you. When reality delivers a result you don't like, you simply deny reality.

(October 25, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Mathilda Wrote: The theory of evolution is testable. It has been tested and found to be correct.

Regardless as to your position on evolution, this statement just isn't true unless you equivocate on the definition of 'evolution'. The word can be used in three senses: 

1. Evolution (defined as "decent with modification") 
2. Evolution (defined as "the mechanism that accounts for evolutionary change") 
3. Evolution (defined as "reconstructing evolutionary history") 

The second and third definitions are not testable and there are significant gaps in our knowledge about them. You think they are correct because #1 is correct and then through inferred by a naturalistic worldview, the other two must be correct--but that is a far cry from fact.