(October 25, 2017 at 2:10 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(October 25, 2017 at 2:06 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Evolutionary science is dreaming up many fairy tales so I'll just let them go on doing so, it seems atheist like there fairy tales and receive much enjoyment from them.

GC

I was an atheist before I knew about evolution, because the idea of god is silly. BUT if evolution turned out to be wrong it would mean that some other natural process did it. it would in no way validate the idea of god.
I fail to see what theists get out of denying what is obviously the case, it seems strange to me.

Exactly.  Demonstrate that evolution theory is mistaken and I'll count as an explanation only a better natural theory.  No failure of our ability to progress our understanding of natural processes will ever lend credence to believing bat-shit crazy, supernatural speculation.

@DBP
You're wondering from the POV of a person who would reconcile a god with reality.  The folks who imagine that biology is somehow false aren't interested in any such god, only their god.

I agree with the above. The efforts to show that God is real because evolution is false is, among all the multitudinous other problems, a false binary. It's rather like saying "I don't have shit on my face because you have long hair."

(October 24, 2017 at 12:48 am)Joods Wrote:

(October 23, 2017 at 10:12 pm)Godscreated Wrote:   Since I can't see you then it's hard to determine what you might be especially since you use the language of an old sailor. My personal life is not open to this forum unless I decide it is what you determine is of no concern to me. Those questions that were not of a personal nature if answered you wouldn't understand anyhow, there biblical something outside your grasp.
GC

Who is it hurting for you to tell me if you've ever had pizza in your life?

Oh I know why you won't answer that question. It's because you know as well as I do that you HAVE had pizza and you already know you're going to hell for doing so. Or that you have worn mixed fabrics and you're going to hell for that too. See - you're already doomed anyway, so why continue loving and believing in a god who's just going to punish you in the end anyway?

 Now that you have keep the personal part of my life out of your questioning I'll give you answers. Yes, I just finished a pizza and my relationship with God is still very much intact and my destination is still eternal life with Him. How you ever arrived at pizza being a sin is far beyond me, except maybe that you are one of those who obsess over the OT laws that were meant for the Jews. I you cared to study the NT instead of googleing up biased info on atheist sites you would know that the food laws did not apply to the gentiles nor do they apply to the Christians including Jewish Christians. For those who believe only in the OT and live by it their only hope for salvation is to live the laws perfectly, no sin ever in their lives.

 I use to wear a pair of jeans back in the early 70's that was more mixed fabrics than cotton jean material and guess what my relationship with God is still fine, more than I can say about your's. Again that was a law for the Jewish people not the gentiles of that day and not for the Christians even the Jewish Christians.

Better educate yourself on what the scriptures teach and then we might be able to have a decent conversation. All that crap you wrote that I deleted from this post will not intimidate me in the least, I'm a biblically educated Christian that knows what's what in the life of a Christian, you are a non-believer that know nothing other than to parrot what others have said, you haven't the fortitude to study the Bible for the truth.

GC

Laws are for the little people.  He's best buddies with the big guy so it's all good.

(October 25, 2017 at 2:06 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(October 23, 2017 at 10:48 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Ah well fluff 'reality' up any way you like.  Get it just right and you can go back to sleep and dream up the 'reality' of your choosing.

 Evolutionary science is dreaming up many fairy tales so I'll just let them go on doing so, it seems atheist like there fairy tales and receive much enjoyment from them.

GC

Or, just maybe, you are wrong and haven't considered the actual source material and evidence.

We have evidence that scientifically illiterate US pastors lie to their flock about this.

And Christian creationism is broadly a US construct.

Why are there so many evolution accepting Christians in the rest of the world?

(October 25, 2017 at 2:06 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(October 23, 2017 at 10:48 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Ah well fluff 'reality' up any way you like.  Get it just right and you can go back to sleep and dream up the 'reality' of your choosing.

 Evolutionary science is dreaming up many fairy tales so I'll just let them go on doing so, it seems atheist like there fairy tales and receive much enjoyment from them.

GC

The willfully ignorant, still hard at work.

As others have asked (and been completely ignored) before, perhaps you could describe evolutionary theory to us, or at least your understanding of it. Many of us are curious if you even understand the basic premise.

(October 24, 2017 at 9:27 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(October 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm)Godscreated Wrote: No, I do search for the truth, like my former pastor said, "if you have doubts about what I'm preaching then by all means go and check it out, then come to me so we can work out the truth.

GC

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When I was an evangelical Christian and doubting my faith, I can't tell you how many people came to me and told me not to read certain books.  Why can't you "work out the truth" on your own?

 What books are you speaking of, I find it hard to believe a Christian would steer you away from any part of the Bible, if they did there is something wrong in that particular church.

GC

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(October 24, 2017 at 2:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  No, when an atheist uses proper language they will get my attention better than those that have to disguise there ignorance with bad language.

Evolution isn't test able if it were everyone would know it's true and it's not. Evolutionary science has a problem it's ignored to long, "DNA can not produce any new information," the science has buried it's head in the sand on this issue. It's time for the scientist to admit it and tell the truth to all those they've deceived....

(September 29, 2017 at 2:34 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Proof that you can add information to DNA:

Take an organism, say we call it A.  Suppose that its offspring suffers a mutation in its genome.  According to creationist dogma, this must either result in no change in the amount of information, or a loss of information.  Let's assume for the sake of argument that it results in a loss of information.  By definition, this new organism, B, has less information than A.  Now suppose that B's offspring suffers a mutation which changes its DNA back to that which it was in A.  Call this organism C.  Because A has more information than B, and A and C have the same information, organism C's DNA has more information than B's DNA (by transitivity).  Thus, by mutation, an increase in information was observed.

QED.

 You are somewhat correct, but I think you have left out part of what Creation science knows. The info in B was never lost in the sense it just left, it is no longer active, it's recessive. So when C is born and looks like A the info became active again, we can see this in dog breeding today. I've breed down unfavorable traits in dogs just to have them pop up again.

 I think you know I was speaking of a complete change in a animal from one kind to something totally different, no new info can be added to DNA to cause such a change. 

GC

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(October 25, 2017 at 12:22 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(October 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  No, when an atheist uses proper language they will get my attention better than those that have to disguise there ignorance with bad language.

GC

In other words, you have no answer for obvious buy-bull bullshit.

Figured as much.

 I have no reason to have a conversation with an unreasonable sort like you and this will be my last reply to you until you can act like a grownup.

GC

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(October 25, 2017 at 12:22 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(October 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  No, when an atheist uses proper language they will get my attention better than those that have to disguise there ignorance with bad language.

GC

In other words, you have no answer for obvious buy-bull bullshit.

Figured as much.

 I have no reason to have a conversation with an unreasonable sort like you and this will be my last reply to you until you can act like a grownup.

GC

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(October 25, 2017 at 12:22 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(October 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  No, when an atheist uses proper language they will get my attention better than those that have to disguise there ignorance with bad language.

GC

In other words, you have no answer for obvious buy-bull bullshit.

Figured as much.

 I have no reason to have a conversation with an unreasonable sort like you and this will be my last reply to you until you can act like a grownup.

GC

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(October 25, 2017 at 1:16 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(October 23, 2017 at 10:42 pm)Godscreated Wrote: This country about 100,000,000 and about 12,000,000 atheist goes to show you that we are smarter.

Argumentum ad populum fallacy.  It's quite possible for large numbers of people to be utterly wrong about something, and for smaller groups to get it right.

The very existence of evolution-denying creationists does, however, strongly suggest that what is needed is better science education.

 Typical atheist answer.

GC

(October 25, 2017 at 3:00 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(October 24, 2017 at 9:27 am)Jehanne Wrote: When I was an evangelical Christian and doubting my faith, I can't tell you how many people came to me and told me not to read certain books.  Why can't you "work out the truth" on your own?

 What books are you speaking of, I find it hard to believe a Christian would steer you away from any part of the Bible, if they did there is something wrong in that particular church.

GC

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They told me to stop reading atheistic books.  Never I have heard that from atheists, namely, that an atheist should stopping reading Christian apologetic books!!

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(October 25, 2017 at 2:28 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Better educate yourself on what the scriptures teach and then we might be able to have a decent conversation. All that crap you wrote that I deleted from this post will not intimidate me in the least, I'm a biblically educated Christian that knows what's what in the life of a Christian, you are a non-believer that know nothing other than to parrot what others have said, you haven't the fortitude to study the Bible for the truth.

GC

You come across as someone who has been brainwashed.  I want you to know that 30 years ago I acted and sounded just like you, but I got over it.  I hope that you do as well.

I have issues with creationists, but I believe they do more to make more people atheists than I ever could.